On May 29, 2023, at 9:04 PM, iMRMosLV! via LPSF Forum noreply@forum.lpsf.org wrote:
FRNP https://forum.lpsf.org/u/frnp
May 30
Because Your/The survey did not include ADOPTION ( pro-ADOPTION v
anti-ADOPTION as an option for Libertarians & others.
Scientific studies are by definition not contrived or polarized or
polarizing; they simply collect data from credible & certifiable available
clinical records as Dr Starfield clearly did before making such a damning
declaration about Her own field/career & colleagues & industry, which
nonetheless has withstood the test of several decades & defied credible
criticism from those who perpetuate the MYTH thad MDs ( little more than drug
pushers & butchers in fancier white coats ) are worthy of their pop
cult/ure strategic marketing & deceptive pr.
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Starchild https://forum.lpsf.org/u/starchild
May 27
An interesting “survey” I just came across… I changed the title to focus on the ideas – the original (?) version I saw asked “which side are you on?” and was titled “libertarian infighting” which didn’t seem super helpful, but I like the survey itself. You don’t have to identify as libertarian to fi…
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Starchild https://forum.lpsf.org/u/starchild
May 30
Marty,
Adoption, especially if there is compensation for mothers undergoing pregnancies that are to them unwanted, is indeed a solution that many people in both abortion camps should be able to get behind.
I don’t really understand your objection to surveys. Your post included a graphic stating that the U.S. medical system kills 225,000 people a year. But you likely wouldn’t have this data to share if someone (probably multiple someones) had not at some point collected and compiled the information by surveying deaths at different institutions.
How does asking people where they stand on controversial issues “perpetuate nonsense polarizing options”? You ask Libertarian figures where they stand on the nudity issue. Are you suggesting that you should stop doing that?
Finally, I don’t think it’s true that you received more votes in your race than has any other Libertarian running for office. Not that it really matters. But to the extent it does matter, and to the extent you did well as a candidate, surely it matters as a basis for drawing lessons from your campaign for DC mayor, not just as something to brag about. I don’t recall you talking in detail about your run. What did you do? How many doors did you knock on? How much money did you spend? What issues did you run on? How many volunteers were involved? To what do you attribute your showing? For the information of the votes you got to be really useful, we need more information than just some variation on, “I was great, and (by implication) all the other Libertarians sucked”.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
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FRNP https://forum.lpsf.org/u/frnp
May 29
As the ONLY Libertarian who has ever exceeded ALL others winning Libertarian Democrat & Republican Votes — unlike others on this thread — articulating the only Principled Libertarian ProChoice&ProLife OPTION, a potential #WinWinWin for babe, Mom-in-Crisis, potential Loving Parents/Family I despise surveys & contrived referendums that only perpetuate nonsense polarizing options that empower govts & neglect both common sense & history.
Even keeping abortion on the table, #ADOPTION is the most popular choice among Women&Girls in pregnancy crises ( often left holding the bag by the deadbeat abortive sperm donor ) because it potentially ENRICHES Women&Girls with US$40,000 to US$100,000+ ( often with free room & board from the Adoptive Parentswho want to ensure a Safe & Healthy & Low Stress pregnancy/birth ) — instead of empowering & enriching govts & their #IndustrialPrisonComplex or #MedicalMurderComplex cronies which has been the status quo since RvW was handed via memo to #TheTemps by their corporatist marionettists.
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dennz https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dennz
May 28
Robert…from the sound of your post, I was Libertarian since before you were born. You know nothing about me or my position on Pro-Life or Libertarian issues. Maybe that might change if we have a drink together.
It will probably take more than that to deal with what appears to be your extreme native arrogance…specially in a friendly forum as this. But we can try.
Michael Denny
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Starchild https://forum.lpsf.org/u/starchild
May 28
Robert,
Let’s try to avoid personal attacks please, and keep discussion here civil. Mike Denny is a longtime activist and committed to the freedom cause, and I’ve never known him to promote coercive laws. We may not all see eye-to-eye on everything, but a little goodwill and respect goes a long way toward minimizing counter-productive infighting.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
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robert_goodwyn https://forum.lpsf.org/u/robert_goodwyn
May 28
Look upon me, St. Mike, I don’t have a right to life.
I have a right to be free from aggression and fraud. That covers all the living to which I’m entitled.
Sorry, but I’m pretty sure that you are lying whey you boast about seeing all human life as sacred. We look at the policies you would be supporting if you really believed that. You would not only promote every coercive law to maximize the quantity of human lives, but you would also voluntarily give away all your own wealth to that end.
No Mike, I think you are a fake. You are fine with all kinds of killing and death. You just sought out the expedient exception.
Here is the basic morality of the abortion issue: being conceived and carried are gifts to which you are not entitled. If you die from being deprived of them, it is sad, but it is not murder.
They are gifts, and there is absolutely nothing generous about you forcing someone else to give those gifts. It only makes you a thief.
I would be happy enough with you if you would strip away the sophistry and be honest about your position. Tell the truth, St. Mike.
The truth is that you seek to coerce women to carry pregnancies to term. That’s your position. Say it.
Bob
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