P.S. – I do think the history of eugenics that Mike raises is good to know about – one of a number of dark sides to the historical progressive movement that shares a commonality with the ideology of modern progressives in terms of its willingness to override individual freedom and choice in the name of the “common good”.
Love & Liberty,
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On May 27, 2023, at 9:31 PM, Starchild via LPSF Forum noreply@forum.lpsf.org wrote:
Starchild https://forum.lpsf.org/u/starchild
May 28
To me, the term pro-life applies well to ending the unnecessary mass slaughter of animals kept in horrible factory farming conditions, as well as to seeking to prevent government wars, democides, and genocides.Although my views on abortion have shifted a couple times, I’m now pretty firmly in the pro-choice camp (sorry Mike). In the case of fetuses (feti?), I don’t think they merit our protection simply as a consequence of being biologically alive. If preserving all independently living human matter were the correct stance, then we would need to embrace in seriousness the view satirically proclaimed by Monty Python, “Every sperm is sacred”:
Every Sperm is Sacred - Monty Python’s The Meaning of Life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
In the political (as opposed to biological) realm, I see disapproval of abortion as part of a larger pattern of sex-negative bias that also manifests in opposition to a whole range of things including masturbation, pornography, prostitution, homosexuality, promiscuity (allowing as they do the enjoyment of sexuality for pleasure rather than procreation) and yes even nudity.Speaking of which, thanks Marty for the heads-up on the SF World Nude Bike Ride happening June 11. I’ve put it on my calendar and hope to attend this year. (You don’t have to go nude to attend and support!) I just wish you would promote your cause without so many gratuitous digs at other libertarians.
Euthanasia, also known as death with dignity, seems to me in keeping with a pro-life appreciation of our time on this mortal coil. As a oenophile Mike, you don’t feel compelled to finish drinking every bottle of wine that’s gone bad, right?
Love & Liberty,
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Starchild https://forum.lpsf.org/u/starchild
May 27
That’s a very good point, Jeff. Thank you for bringing it up. I still think the Libertarian Party keeping info about people’s political/philosophical beliefs on file and up to date for paid staffers and people with roles setting party policy is desirable from the standpoint of maintaining the party …
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May 28
Interesting: all I’m asking is to accurately define the question, and that’s a problem for you.··· (click for more details) https://forum.lpsf.org/t/survey-on-philosophical-positions-in-the-libertarian-movement/21825/13
dennz https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dennz
May 28
That position was never in question or controversial.Mike
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robert_goodwyn https://forum.lpsf.org/u/robert_goodwyn
May 28
Not opposites. You can choose to not abort.··· (click for more details) https://forum.lpsf.org/t/survey-on-philosophical-positions-in-the-libertarian-movement/21825/11
dennz https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dennz
May 27
Pro-Life believes life is sacred and abortion is murder.
Pro-choice says life is not sacred and can be legally and morally terminated by choice.That seems different.
Michael Denny
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Katie_Hingle https://forum.lpsf.org/u/katie_hingle
May 27
It’s how it’s being displayed on that survey··· (click for more details) https://forum.lpsf.org/t/survey-on-philosophical-positions-in-the-libertarian-movement/21825/9
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