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Dear Derek;
As Steve DeKorte pointed out there are cheaper places to live. In
New Hamsphire according to Craigslist there is a studio apartment
available for $90 a month!!! Whooo Hooo!!!
Call the moving company!!!
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:
Ron:
The more I think about it, the more the answer of moving to a
lower cost of
living area becomes clear as the correct solution. This notion of
not
having the security deposit, etc. is just a red herring. No one
has a
"right" to live in a city, no matter how many generations of their
family
may have lived there. I would expect you as a Libertarian to not
support
positive rights.
If they are not willing to move, then they are making a trade-off.
-Derek
>
> Dear Derek;
>
> I know of no such specific person as my whole "thang" was to find
> out what Libertarian alternatives could be done to help the Food
Box
> Elders without using tax payer dollars.
>
> As as far as the SF Food Bank is concerned each dollar received
from
> all sources gets increased to about $9.00. The budget for
salaries
> appears to be about $400,000 and spread across 50 full and part
time
> people means no one is living high on the hog. 70% of their
funding
> comes from private donations. The other 30% from a a variety of
> state and fed and agricultural food programs.
>
> Talking with Food Box Elders has nothing to do with the SF Food
Bank
> as they are a distribution center sending food out to 350 non-
> profits for distribution to their neediest or some 53,000 people
a
> day.
>
> By offering to talk to the Food Box Elders about how to budget
and
> being wise in their spending has nothing to do with the Food
> distribution people.
>
> It would seem you could make an offer to speak on budgeting in a
> general get together if they have space there at the warehouse
for
> the Food Box Elders.
>
> Why not try that???
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ron:
> >
> > My advice may be too bitter of a pill for even the government
> hack, I mean
> > "executive director" to swallow. People who have learned to
> depend on
> > others for years and years do not take kindly to being told
they
> have to
> > tighten their belts, turn off their cable TV subscriptions,
stop
> taking the
> > bus to Cache Creek the day the "social security" check comes
in,
> stop
> > spending money on cigarettes and booze, etc. etc. (I recognize
> that all of
> > these old people don't fit into every single one of these
> categories). I
> > think my sending a letter such as I envision to this dude and
> offering to
> > help is only going to antagonize them.
> >
> > However, If you know of a specific person that would like some
> financial
> > counseling in a respectful but frank way and enjoy a lunch at
my
> cost,
> > please let them know about my offer. I will even reimburse
their
> bus fare
> > to and from the financial district. If after meeting with me, I
> can't prove
> > to them that it is within their budget to replace this
> monthly "free" meal,
> > then I will give them money to buy a year's worth of these
meals.
> >
> > I would prefer to help combat veterans.
> >
> > -Derek
> >
> > >
> > > Dear Derek;
> > >
> > > Prepare it and communicate it to the following person and see
> what
> > > they have to say about how it may help the Food Box Elders.
> > >
> > > San Francisco Food Bank mailing address and contact
> information:
> > >
> > > Paul Ash - Executive Director
> > > 900 Pennsylvania Ave., San Francisco, CA 94107
> > > Telephone: (415) 282-1900 ext. 0
> > >
> > > http://www.sffoodbank.org/
> > >
> > > Ron Getty
> > > SF Libertarian
> > >
> > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen"
<derekj72@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ron:
> > > >
> > > > I'm going to prepare a 1 page summary of advice
to "elders" who
> > > may be
> > > > affected. It will be respectful but also very frank. You
can
> > > feel free to
> > > > distribute this to anyone who may be affected. If they
feel my
> > > advice has
> > > > value and wish to take the bull by the horns, I will sit
with
> them
> > > for lunch
> > > > (my treat) and help them sort through their budget. I
mean it.
> > > >
> > > > -Derek
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Steve;
> > > > >
> > > > > Great!!! Now how do you get someone of limited income to
> > > okalhoma city or
> > > > > even Fresno and come up with the first last and security
> > > deposits?? Small
> > > > > but minor details???
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW having been through Fresno my memories of Fresno are
it's
> > > 11:00 PM at
> > > > > night and it's 90 degrees out!!!!!!!!! If the Elders
moved
> to
> > > Fresno you'd
> > > > > bettah hope the rent included air-conditioning and enough
> income
> > > to pay a
> > > > > super-charged electric bill. Whooo Hooo!
> > > > >
> > > > > If an Elder is on a small income and they are willing to
go
> > > through the
> > > > > embarassment of standing in line for food boxes I'm gonna
> guess
> > > they are not
> > > > > rashly spending their money on wine women and song.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe those casino coach trips to Cache Creek but
luxuries
> like
> > > cigarettes
> > > > > at $5.00 a box??? Naaahhh!
> > > > >
> > > > > But we'll know bettah after Derek Jensen does his freeby
> > > financial
> > > > > planning seminar with a carefully selected Food Box
Elder and
> > > reports the
> > > > > results back to us on his personal seminar.
> > > > >
> > > > > Right Derek???
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron Getty
> > > > > SF Libertarian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *Steve Dekorte <steve@>* wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Stve DeKorte;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > These people are Elderly and based on California law
they
> are
> > > not
> > > > > > eligible for Food Stamps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The request was for ways in which to replace the tax
payer
> > > funded
> > > > > > food box program.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What are your ways to do this???
> > > > >
> > > > > My point was that just because someone has a small
income, it
> > > doesn't
> > > > > mean they do not have wasteful spending habits which
Derek
> might
> > > help
> > > > > them identify.
> > > > >
> > > > > More importantly, I agree with the point Derek made about
> moving
> > > to an
> > > > > area with a lower cost of living. For example, looking at
> > > craigslist, I
> > > > > see average prices for rentals in Fresno are about half
that
> in
> > > San
> > > > > Francisco. And prices in Oklahoma City are about half
that of
> > > Fresno.
> > > > >
> > > > > If someone is spending half of their income on rent, it
looks
> > > like such
> > > > > a move might be a savings of 25%-37% of their income.
Would
> that
> > > be
> > > > > enough to make of for the loss of a food program?
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Steve
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Finding a cheaper place to live was the first thing I did when I was unemployed. I cut my rent by about 70%(!) by living in a smaller shared place in a less affluent neighborhood. If my new business had not been successful, the next step would be moving out of SF altogether.
-- Steve