Ron,
I don't know about nationally, but there are places in San Francisco where one can get free meals. There is even "Meals on Wheels" which delivers (see http://006425e.netsolhost.com/services_HDM.htm). I would urge elderly poor who have no other realistic options to turn to programs like this for help.
Do you have any specific individuals in mind who are being affected by this situation?
Yours in liberty,
<<< starchild >>>
Dear Starchild;
To do away with the taxpayer funded food box program costing $128 million nationally what are your recommendations to replace this program for those who were receiving the food boxes - TODAY - and providing the supplemenatl food - TODAY?
Your commentez vous is encouraged with real world alternatives as to how this could be done.
For the nonce let's leave out the supposition that ALL 10,000 Elders receiving food boxes are heavy smoking and heavy drinking and heavy lottery ticket buyers.
By California law none are eligible for Food Stamps.
Ron Getty
SF LibertarianIf they're only paying $400 a month rent (Ron's example, which doesn't
seem like an unreasonable assumption if they've been here a while),
moving to another city might not necessarily save them much money.I certainly agree that the programs should be discontinued, although
there are many, many other government cuts I would prefer to see made
first, if I got to pick and choose. I've also got a potential litmus
test as to whether one's sympathies are fundamentally more Republican
or Libertarian, which goes something like this:You hear that an elderly person living on $800 a month with half her
money going to rent is about to have her government food subsidy cut
and may not be able to afford to eat properly. Which of the following
do you feel is a more desirable mental reaction to this news:-It's her choice to live in an expensive city, and it was her choice
not to save money; quite likely she's still smoking or drinking or
buying lottery tickets with money that could be used for food. I don't
feel sorry for her.-Damn the statists and their government for bleeding the civil sector
and private charity while discouraging personal responsibility and
fostering government dependency to the point that elderly people are
reduced to such straits!Yours in liberty,
<<< starchild >>>> How many of these elders drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes? How many
> of them buy lottery scratch tickets or go to feed the slot-machines in
> the casinos? Life is full of trade-offs. Each of these old persons
> has decided to live in expensive San Francisco than move to a lower
> cost of living area. I don't feel sorry for them at all.
>
> Another problem with continuing these programs is that it gives
> current people a perverse incentive to NOT save for the future.>
> Dear Derek;
>
> If you have an elderly person living on $800 a month and half goes
> to rent and the other half goes to gas/electric and Medicare and
> medicine not covered by Medicare and medicare premiums and clothing
> and laundry and food and what the heck is going to be left over to
> cut from a budget??? Are you talking literally penny pinching?
>
> As far as expensive to live here to move from here to another less
> expensive place is going to take how much money??? And what kind of
> a first and last deposit and security payment? Secondly what will
> the support services needed by an elder be like in comparison??? Etc
> etc etc. Please cite examples of how this could be done by an Elder
> living on $800 a month with no net dispoable left over???
>
> I asked for real world responses to a real world situation not a
> response which seems to be a little bit to much in the cavalier
> vein.
>
> Now try again and come up with a real world response on how to
> replace food boxes cut from elders who could use the extra can of
> tuna fish and stretch it for a week???
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com , "Derek Jensen"
> wrote:
> >
> > I volunteer to give one hour of personal financial advice to
> anyone that
> > this affects. I will show them other places in their budget that
> they can
> > cut in order to continue eating healthy meals.
> >
> > Another option is for them to beg their adult children for money.
> This is
> > far more honorable than taking stolen money from the taxpayers.
> >
> > -Derek
> >
> > >
> > > Every penny being paid to any government worker or any worker
> at a
> > > company in a division funded by tax money making over $100K
> should have
> > > their salary reduced and all funds collected should go to this
> feeding
> > > program.
> > >
> > > What do you say?
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > *From:* lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
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> > > *On Behalf Of *Ron Getty
> > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:00 PM
> > > *To:* Libertarian Yahoo Group
> > > *Subject:* [lpsf-discuss] 1,000 SF Elders Get Monthly Food Boxes
> CUT!! NOW
> > > WHAT!!!
> > >
> > > Dear Everyone;
> > >
> > > This article in todays Examiner prompts me to ask SF
> Libertarians how to
> > > solve this problem - TODAY - RIGHT HERE - IMMEDIATELY because it
> requires an
> > > immediate response.
> > >
> > > Based on budget cuts 1,000 SF seniors who receive a monthly food
> box will
> > > have to be cut from the food box program. These are Elders
> living on - more
> > > likely existing on - social security at about $800 - $1000 a
> month. Think
> > > rent food medical etc first and what if anything is left over.
> > >
> > > Question: What can we as tax-cut approving Libertarians propose
> to do
> > > TODAY - RIGHT NOW - to get food boxes to those Elders who will
> be cut from
> > > the program? Or better yet all the 500,000 Elders on the program
> nationally
> > > so $128 million can be cut from the budget.
> > >
> > > BTW I am not interested in hearing what these Elders could have
> should
> > > have didn't of have done so they would be in those
> circumstances. It is a
> > > currently existing situation - discussing past events of what
> should have
> > > been done will not be considered and is immaterial if your are
> facing going
> > > hungry.....
> > >
> > > http://www.examiner.com/US-
> a58009~1_000_fewer_seniors_to_receive_food_boxes_due_to_federal_budge
> t_cuts.html
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