Every penny being paid to any government worker or any worker at a
company in a division funded by tax money making over $100K should have
their salary reduced and all funds collected should go to this feeding
program.
What do you say?
Dear Mike;
Okay - now how do you make that happen - NOW!
Them food boxes are getting cut off real soon with the next federal budget which starts Oct. 1 2006. How do you get your plan put into force so this will happen concurrently with the cut backs so SF Elders won't start going hungry because of the cut backs.
Also how do you address the Elders who may become eligible literally today who will not be accepted because of the coming cut backs???
Currently some 10,500 receive the food boxes and there are some estimated 29,000 eligible Elders in SF. What about those 19,000 non-recipients??? And with the Baby Boomers hitting their 60's there are a lot more eligible coming up. Whooo Hooo.
Betcha ya didn't know that there were that many poor elders living in SF???
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
Mike Denny <mike@...> wrote:
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What do you say?
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Dear Derek;
If you have an elderly person living on $800 a month and half goes
to rent and the other half goes to gas/electric and Medicare and
medicine not covered by Medicare and medicare premiums and clothing
and laundry and food and what the heck is going to be left over to
cut from a budget??? Are you talking literally penny pinching?
As far as expensive to live here to move from here to another less
expensive place is going to take how much money??? And what kind of
a first and last deposit and security payment? Secondly what will
the support services needed by an elder be like in comparison??? Etc
etc etc. Please cite examples of how this could be done by an Elder
living on $800 a month with no net dispoable left over???
I asked for real world responses to a real world situation not a
response which seems to be a little bit to much in the cavalier
vein.
Now try again and come up with a real world response on how to
replace food boxes cut from elders who could use the extra can of
tuna fish and stretch it for a week???
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:
I volunteer to give one hour of personal financial advice to
anyone that
this affects. I will show them other places in their budget that
they can
cut in order to continue eating healthy meals.
Another option is for them to beg their adult children for money.
This is
far more honorable than taking stolen money from the taxpayers.
-Derek
>
> Every penny being paid to any government worker or any worker
at a
> company in a division funded by tax money making over $100K
should have
> their salary reduced and all funds collected should go to this
feeding
> program.
>
>
>
> What do you say?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
> *On Behalf Of *Ron Getty
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:00 PM
> *To:* Libertarian Yahoo Group
> *Subject:* [lpsf-discuss] 1,000 SF Elders Get Monthly Food Boxes
CUT!! NOW
> WHAT!!!
>
>
>
> Dear Everyone;
>
>
>
> This article in todays Examiner prompts me to ask SF
Libertarians how to
> solve this problem - TODAY - RIGHT HERE - IMMEDIATELY because it
requires an
> immediate response.
>
>
>
> Based on budget cuts 1,000 SF seniors who receive a monthly food
box will
> have to be cut from the food box program. These are Elders
living on - more
> likely existing on - social security at about $800 - $1000 a
month. Think
> rent food medical etc first and what if anything is left over.
>
>
>
> Question: What can we as tax-cut approving Libertarians propose
to do
> TODAY - RIGHT NOW - to get food boxes to those Elders who will
be cut from
> the program? Or better yet all the 500,000 Elders on the program
nationally
> so $128 million can be cut from the budget.
>
>
>
> BTW I am not interested in hearing what these Elders could have
should
> have didn't of have done so they would be in those
circumstances. It is a
> currently existing situation - discussing past events of what
should have
> been done will not be considered and is immaterial if your are
facing going
> hungry.....
>
>
>
>
> http://www.examiner.com/US-
a58009~1_000_fewer_seniors_to_receive_food_boxes_due_to_federal_budge
t_cuts.html
>
>
>
> Ron Getty
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Dear Derek;
If you have an elderly person living on $800 a month and half goes
to rent and the other half goes to gas/electric and Medicare and
medicine not covered by Medicare and medicare premiums and clothing
and laundry and food and what the heck is going to be left over to
cut from a budget??? Are you talking literally penny pinching?
As far as expensive to live here to move from here to another less
expensive place is going to take how much money??? And what kind of
a first and last deposit and security payment? Secondly what will
the support services needed by an elder be like in comparison??? Etc
etc etc. Please cite examples of how this could be done by an Elder
living on $800 a month with no net dispoable left over???
I asked for real world responses to a real world situation not a
response which seems to be a little bit to much in the cavalier
vein.
Now try again and come up with a real world response on how to
replace food boxes cut from elders who could use the extra can of
tuna fish and stretch it for a week???
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:
I volunteer to give one hour of personal financial advice to
anyone that
this affects. I will show them other places in their budget that
they can
cut in order to continue eating healthy meals.
Another option is for them to beg their adult children for money.
This is
far more honorable than taking stolen money from the taxpayers.
-Derek
>
> Every penny being paid to any government worker or any worker
at a
> company in a division funded by tax money making over $100K
should have
> their salary reduced and all funds collected should go to this
feeding
> program.
>
>
>
> What do you say?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
> *On Behalf Of *Ron Getty
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:00 PM
> *To:* Libertarian Yahoo Group
> *Subject:* [lpsf-discuss] 1,000 SF Elders Get Monthly Food Boxes
CUT!! NOW
> WHAT!!!
>
>
>
> Dear Everyone;
>
>
>
> This article in todays Examiner prompts me to ask SF
Libertarians how to
> solve this problem - TODAY - RIGHT HERE - IMMEDIATELY because it
requires an
> immediate response.
>
>
>
> Based on budget cuts 1,000 SF seniors who receive a monthly food
box will
> have to be cut from the food box program. These are Elders
living on - more
> likely existing on - social security at about $800 - $1000 a
month. Think
> rent food medical etc first and what if anything is left over.
>
>
>
> Question: What can we as tax-cut approving Libertarians propose
to do
> TODAY - RIGHT NOW - to get food boxes to those Elders who will
be cut from
> the program? Or better yet all the 500,000 Elders on the program
nationally
> so $128 million can be cut from the budget.
>
>
>
> BTW I am not interested in hearing what these Elders could have
should
> have didn't of have done so they would be in those
circumstances. It is a
> currently existing situation - discussing past events of what
should have
> been done will not be considered and is immaterial if your are
facing going
> hungry.....
>
>
>
>
> http://www.examiner.com/US-
a58009~1_000_fewer_seniors_to_receive_food_boxes_due_to_federal_budge
t_cuts.html
>
>
>
> Ron Getty
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I don't know about these people, but when I lived near some projects, I saw plenty of people using food stamps to buy junk food and other wasteful items. I found this particularly disturbing as I was unemployed (and unable to withdraw unemployment - despite many years paying into the unemployment insurance system - since I had spent the prior year trying to start a company) at the time and mostly living on rice and beans.
Btw, rice and beans are nearly complete nutritionally and cost next to nothing when purchased in large bags. IIRC, I think I found I could get down to $1/day on food.
-- Steve
Hear, hear!
<<< starchild >>>
Dear Derek;
You wrote: I volunteer to give one hour of personal financial advice
to anyone that this affects. I will show them other places in their
budget that they can cut in order to continue eating healthy meals.
Another option is for them to beg their adult children for money.
This is far more honorable than taking stolen money from the
taxpayers.
Okay Derek - here you go: The Food Box Distributor is the:
San Francisco Food Bank
900 Pennsylvania Ave., San Francisco, CA 94107
Telephone: (415) 282-1900 ext. 0
The Executive Director is: Paul Ash
Go there - ask for Paul Ash - introduce yourself as a financial
planner and tell him you are donating your time to work with anyone
of the Food Box elderly who wishes to have your free services for
working out a liveable monthly budget.
While you gave a time limit on your free time I would ask you to
consider extending it to include at least 6 different Elders who
receive the food boxes. This should not be on a group basis but
needs to be handled privately to spare personal embarassment of the
Elder. I believe this minimum is so you would have enough of a broad
basis to offer decent advice. You may also find you are the first
kitchen table sit down visitor person in some time for this Elder.
If you are going to do this have prepared a list of local stores
where the prices are less for groceries which are reasonably and
safely accessible. Pharmacies who might charge less. Clothes stores
etc etc etc.
If an Elder smokes or drinks or buys Lottery tickets - don't lecture
them - it's probably their last vice left before they die. Recommend
that they change their sinful ways.
If they have adult children to mooch from find out where they are
and why they can't give support. Then call them on behalf of the
Elder.
If you can find cheaper places for them to live and can show them
how to get there on limited means of income then do so.
Lastly, these elders may have difficulty referencing any statements
regarding stolen money from taxpayers.
Please e-mail us back on what transpired after your counseling
sessions.
Thank You
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
P.S. As you know I work with a tax attorney and we are and have been
giving free tax and debt advice for years.
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:
I volunteer to give one hour of personal financial advice to
anyone that
this affects. I will show them other places in their budget that
they can
cut in order to continue eating healthy meals.
Another option is for them to beg their adult children for money.
This is
far more honorable than taking stolen money from the taxpayers.
-Derek
>
> Every penny being paid to any government worker or any worker
at a
> company in a division funded by tax money making over $100K
should have
> their salary reduced and all funds collected should go to this
feeding
> program.
>
>
>
> What do you say?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
> *On Behalf Of *Ron Getty
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:00 PM
> *To:* Libertarian Yahoo Group
> *Subject:* [lpsf-discuss] 1,000 SF Elders Get Monthly Food Boxes
CUT!! NOW
> WHAT!!!
>
>
>
> Dear Everyone;
>
>
>
> This article in todays Examiner prompts me to ask SF
Libertarians how to
> solve this problem - TODAY - RIGHT HERE - IMMEDIATELY because it
requires an
> immediate response.
>
>
>
> Based on budget cuts 1,000 SF seniors who receive a monthly food
box will
> have to be cut from the food box program. These are Elders
living on - more
> likely existing on - social security at about $800 - $1000 a
month. Think
> rent food medical etc first and what if anything is left over.
>
>
>
> Question: What can we as tax-cut approving Libertarians propose
to do
> TODAY - RIGHT NOW - to get food boxes to those Elders who will
be cut from
> the program? Or better yet all the 500,000 Elders on the program
nationally
> so $128 million can be cut from the budget.
>
>
>
> BTW I am not interested in hearing what these Elders could have
should
> have didn't of have done so they would be in those
circumstances. It is a
> currently existing situation - discussing past events of what
should have
> been done will not be considered and is immaterial if your are
facing going
> hungry.....
>
>
>
>
> http://www.examiner.com/US-
a58009~1_000_fewer_seniors_to_receive_food_boxes_due_to_federal_budge
t_cuts.html
>
>
>
> Ron Getty
>
> SF Libertarian
>
>
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>
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Dear Derek;
You wrote: I volunteer to give one hour of personal financial advice
to anyone that this affects. I will show them other places in their
budget that they can cut in order to continue eating healthy meals.
Another option is for them to beg their adult children for money.
This is far more honorable than taking stolen money from the
taxpayers.
Okay Derek - here you go: The Food Box Distributor is the:
San Francisco Food Bank
900 Pennsylvania Ave., San Francisco, CA 94107
Telephone: (415) 282-1900 ext. 0
The Executive Director is: Paul Ash
Go there - ask for Paul Ash - introduce yourself as a financial
planner and tell him you are donating your time to work with anyone
of the Food Box elderly who wishes to have your free services for
working out a liveable monthly budget.
While you gave a time limit on your free time I would ask you to
consider extending it to include at least 6 different Elders who
receive the food boxes. This should not be on a group basis but
needs to be handled privately to spare personal embarassment of the
Elder. I believe this minimum is so you would have enough of a broad
basis to offer decent advice. You may also find you are the first
kitchen table sit down visitor person in some time for this Elder.
If you are going to do this have prepared a list of local stores
where the prices are less for groceries which are reasonably and
safely accessible. Pharmacies who might charge less. Clothes stores
etc etc etc.
If an Elder smokes or drinks or buys Lottery tickets - don't lecture
them - it's probably their last vice left before they die. Recommend
that they change their sinful ways.
If they have adult children to mooch from find out where they are
and why they can't give support. Then call them on behalf of the
Elder.
If you can find cheaper places for them to live and can show them
how to get there on limited means of income then do so.
Lastly, these elders may have difficulty referencing any statements
regarding stolen money from taxpayers.
Please e-mail us back on what transpired after your counseling
sessions.
Thank You
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
P.S. As you know I work with a tax attorney and we are and have been
giving free tax and debt advice for years.
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:
I volunteer to give one hour of personal financial advice to
anyone that
this affects. I will show them other places in their budget that
they can
cut in order to continue eating healthy meals.
Another option is for them to beg their adult children for money.
This is
far more honorable than taking stolen money from the taxpayers.
-Derek
>
> Every penny being paid to any government worker or any worker
at a
> company in a division funded by tax money making over $100K
should have
> their salary reduced and all funds collected should go to this
feeding
> program.
>
>
>
> What do you say?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
> *On Behalf Of *Ron Getty
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:00 PM
> *To:* Libertarian Yahoo Group
> *Subject:* [lpsf-discuss] 1,000 SF Elders Get Monthly Food Boxes
CUT!! NOW
> WHAT!!!
>
>
>
> Dear Everyone;
>
>
>
> This article in todays Examiner prompts me to ask SF
Libertarians how to
> solve this problem - TODAY - RIGHT HERE - IMMEDIATELY because it
requires an
> immediate response.
>
>
>
> Based on budget cuts 1,000 SF seniors who receive a monthly food
box will
> have to be cut from the food box program. These are Elders
living on - more
> likely existing on - social security at about $800 - $1000 a
month. Think
> rent food medical etc first and what if anything is left over.
>
>
>
> Question: What can we as tax-cut approving Libertarians propose
to do
> TODAY - RIGHT NOW - to get food boxes to those Elders who will
be cut from
> the program? Or better yet all the 500,000 Elders on the program
nationally
> so $128 million can be cut from the budget.
>
>
>
> BTW I am not interested in hearing what these Elders could have
should
> have didn't of have done so they would be in those
circumstances. It is a
> currently existing situation - discussing past events of what
should have
> been done will not be considered and is immaterial if your are
facing going
> hungry.....
>
>
>
>
> http://www.examiner.com/US-
a58009~1_000_fewer_seniors_to_receive_food_boxes_due_to_federal_budge
t_cuts.html
>
>
>
> Ron Getty
>
> SF Libertarian
>
>
>
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Dear Stve DeKorte;
These people are Elderly and based on California law they are not
eligible for Food Stamps.
The request was for ways in which to replace the tax payer funded
food box program.
What are your ways to do this???
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
> If you have an elderly person living on $800 a month and half
goes
> to rent and the other half goes to gas/electric and Medicare and
> medicine not covered by Medicare and medicare premiums and
clothing
> and laundry and food and what the heck is going to be left over
to
> cut from a budget??? Are you talking literally penny pinching?
I don't know about these people, but when I lived near some
projects, I
saw plenty of people using food stamps to buy junk food and other
wasteful items. I found this particularly disturbing as I was
unemployed (and unable to withdraw unemployment - despite many
years
paying into the unemployment insurance system - since I had spent
the
prior year trying to start a company) at the time and mostly
living on
rice and beans.
Btw, rice and beans are nearly complete nutritionally and cost
next to
nothing when purchased in large bags. IIRC, I think I found I
could get
If they're only paying $400 a month rent (Ron's example, which doesn't seem like an unreasonable assumption if they've been here a while), moving to another city might not necessarily save them much money.
I certainly agree that the programs should be discontinued, although there are many, many other government cuts I would prefer to see made first, if I got to pick and choose. I've also got a potential litmus test as to whether one's sympathies are fundamentally more Republican or Libertarian, which goes something like this:
You hear that an elderly person living on $800 a month with half her money going to rent is about to have her government food subsidy cut and may not be able to afford to eat properly. Which of the following do you feel is a more desirable mental reaction to this news:
-It's her choice to live in an expensive city, and it was her choice not to save money; quite likely she's still smoking or drinking or buying lottery tickets with money that could be used for food. I don't feel sorry for her.
-Damn the statists and their government for bleeding the civil sector and private charity while discouraging personal responsibility and fostering government dependency to the point that elderly people are reduced to such straits!
Yours in liberty,
<<< starchild >>>
How many of these elders drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes? How many of them buy lottery scratch tickets or go to feed the slot-machines in the casinos? Life is full of trade-offs. Each of these old persons has decided to live in expensive San Francisco than move to a lower cost of living area. I don't feel sorry for them at all.
Another problem with continuing these programs is that it gives current people a perverse incentive to NOT save for the future.
Dear Derek;
If you have an elderly person living on $800 a month and half goes
to rent and the other half goes to gas/electric and Medicare and
medicine not covered by Medicare and medicare premiums and clothing
and laundry and food and what the heck is going to be left over to
cut from a budget??? Are you talking literally penny pinching?As far as expensive to live here to move from here to another less
expensive place is going to take how much money??? And what kind of
a first and last deposit and security payment? Secondly what will
the support services needed by an elder be like in comparison??? Etc
etc etc. Please cite examples of how this could be done by an Elder
living on $800 a month with no net dispoable left over???I asked for real world responses to a real world situation not a
response which seems to be a little bit to much in the cavalier
vein.Now try again and come up with a real world response on how to
replace food boxes cut from elders who could use the extra can of
tuna fish and stretch it for a week???Ron Getty
SF Libertarian--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com , "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:
>
> I volunteer to give one hour of personal financial advice to
anyone that
> this affects. I will show them other places in their budget that
they can
> cut in order to continue eating healthy meals.
>
> Another option is for them to beg their adult children for money.
This is
> far more honorable than taking stolen money from the taxpayers.
>
> -Derek
>
> >
> > Every penny being paid to any government worker or any worker
at a
> > company in a division funded by tax money making over $100K
should have
> > their salary reduced and all funds collected should go to this
feeding
> > program.
> >
> > What do you say?
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
discuss@yahoogroups.com]
> > *On Behalf Of *Ron Getty
> > *Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:00 PM
> > *To:* Libertarian Yahoo Group
> > *Subject:* [lpsf-discuss] 1,000 SF Elders Get Monthly Food Boxes
CUT!! NOW
> > WHAT!!!
> >
> > Dear Everyone;
> >
> > This article in todays Examiner prompts me to ask SF
Libertarians how to
> > solve this problem - TODAY - RIGHT HERE - IMMEDIATELY because it
requires an
> > immediate response.
> >
> > Based on budget cuts 1,000 SF seniors who receive a monthly food
box will
> > have to be cut from the food box program. These are Elders
living on - more
> > likely existing on - social security at about $800 - $1000 a
month. Think
> > rent food medical etc first and what if anything is left over.
> >
> > Question: What can we as tax-cut approving Libertarians propose
to do
> > TODAY - RIGHT NOW - to get food boxes to those Elders who will
be cut from
> > the program? Or better yet all the 500,000 Elders on the program
nationally
> > so $128 million can be cut from the budget.
> >
> > BTW I am not interested in hearing what these Elders could have
should
> > have didn't of have done so they would be in those
circumstances. It is a
> > currently existing situation - discussing past events of what
should have
> > been done will not be considered and is immaterial if your are
facing going
> > hungry.....
> >
> > http://www.examiner.com/US-
a58009~1_000_fewer_seniors_to_receive_food_boxes_due_to_federal_budge
t_cuts.html
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Dear Starchild;
To do away with the taxpayer funded food box program costing $128 million nationally what are your recommendations to replace this program for those who were receiving the food boxes - TODAY - and providing the supplemenatl food - TODAY?
Your commentez vous is encouraged with real world alternatives as to how this could be done.
For the nonce let's leave out the supposition that ALL 10,000 Elders receiving food boxes are heavy smoking and heavy drinking and heavy lottery ticket buyers.
By California law none are eligible for Food Stamps.
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
Starchild <sfdreamer@...> wrote:
If they're only paying $400 a month rent (Ron's example, which doesn't
seem like an unreasonable assumption if they've been here a while),
moving to another city might not necessarily save them much money.
I certainly agree that the programs should be discontinued, although
there are many, many other government cuts I would prefer to see made
first, if I got to pick and choose. I've also got a potential litmus
test as to whether one's sympathies are fundamentally more Republican
or Libertarian, which goes something like this:
You hear that an elderly person living on $800 a month with half her
money going to rent is about to have her government food subsidy cut
and may not be able to afford to eat properly. Which of the following
do you feel is a more desirable mental reaction to this news:
-It's her choice to live in an expensive city, and it was her choice
not to save money; quite likely she's still smoking or drinking or
buying lottery tickets with money that could be used for food. I don't
feel sorry for her.
-Damn the statists and their government for bleeding the civil sector
and private charity while discouraging personal responsibility and
fostering government dependency to the point that elderly people are
reduced to such straits!
Yours in liberty,
<<< starchild >>>
Dear Derek;
Okay then go to the Food Bank and tell the Director you want to
provide an hour of free financial planning to any Elder receiving a
Food Box.
Simple enough now???
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:
Ron:
Too many rules and stipulations.
-Derek
>
> Dear Derek;
>
> You wrote: I volunteer to give one hour of personal financial
advice
> to anyone that this affects. I will show them other places in
their
> budget that they can cut in order to continue eating healthy
meals.
>
> Another option is for them to beg their adult children for money.
> This is far more honorable than taking stolen money from the
> taxpayers.
>
> Okay Derek - here you go: The Food Box Distributor is the:
>
> San Francisco Food Bank
> 900 Pennsylvania Ave., San Francisco, CA 94107
> Telephone: (415) 282-1900 ext. 0
>
> The Executive Director is: Paul Ash
>
> Go there - ask for Paul Ash - introduce yourself as a financial
> planner and tell him you are donating your time to work with
anyone
> of the Food Box elderly who wishes to have your free services for
> working out a liveable monthly budget.
>
> While you gave a time limit on your free time I would ask you to
> consider extending it to include at least 6 different Elders who
> receive the food boxes. This should not be on a group basis but
> needs to be handled privately to spare personal embarassment of
the
> Elder. I believe this minimum is so you would have enough of a
broad
> basis to offer decent advice. You may also find you are the first
> kitchen table sit down visitor person in some time for this
Elder.
>
> If you are going to do this have prepared a list of local stores
> where the prices are less for groceries which are reasonably and
> safely accessible. Pharmacies who might charge less. Clothes
stores
> etc etc etc.
>
> If an Elder smokes or drinks or buys Lottery tickets - don't
lecture
> them - it's probably their last vice left before they die.
Recommend
> that they change their sinful ways.
>
> If they have adult children to mooch from find out where they are
> and why they can't give support. Then call them on behalf of the
> Elder.
>
> If you can find cheaper places for them to live and can show them
> how to get there on limited means of income then do so.
>
> Lastly, these elders may have difficulty referencing any
statements
> regarding stolen money from taxpayers.
>
> Please e-mail us back on what transpired after your counseling
> sessions.
>
> Thank You
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> P.S. As you know I work with a tax attorney and we are and have
been
> giving free tax and debt advice for years.
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I volunteer to give one hour of personal financial advice to
> anyone that
> > this affects. I will show them other places in their budget
that
> they can
> > cut in order to continue eating healthy meals.
> >
> > Another option is for them to beg their adult children for
money.
> This is
> > far more honorable than taking stolen money from the taxpayers.
> >
> > -Derek
> >
> > >
> > > Every penny being paid to any government worker or any
worker
> at a
> > > company in a division funded by tax money making over $100K
> should have
> > > their salary reduced and all funds collected should go to
this
> feeding
> > > program.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What do you say?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > *From:* lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
> discuss@yahoogroups.com]
> > > *On Behalf Of *Ron Getty
> > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:00 PM
> > > *To:* Libertarian Yahoo Group
> > > *Subject:* [lpsf-discuss] 1,000 SF Elders Get Monthly Food
Boxes
> CUT!! NOW
> > > WHAT!!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Everyone;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This article in todays Examiner prompts me to ask SF
> Libertarians how to
> > > solve this problem - TODAY - RIGHT HERE - IMMEDIATELY
because it
> requires an
> > > immediate response.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Based on budget cuts 1,000 SF seniors who receive a monthly
food
> box will
> > > have to be cut from the food box program. These are Elders
> living on - more
> > > likely existing on - social security at about $800 - $1000 a
> month. Think
> > > rent food medical etc first and what if anything is left
over.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Question: What can we as tax-cut approving Libertarians
propose
> to do
> > > TODAY - RIGHT NOW - to get food boxes to those Elders who
will
> be cut from
> > > the program? Or better yet all the 500,000 Elders on the
program
> nationally
> > > so $128 million can be cut from the budget.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > BTW I am not interested in hearing what these Elders could
have
> should
> > > have didn't of have done so they would be in those
> circumstances. It is a
> > > currently existing situation - discussing past events of what
> should have
> > > been done will not be considered and is immaterial if your
are
> facing going
> > > hungry.....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.examiner.com/US-
>
a58009~1_000_fewer_seniors_to_receive_food_boxes_due_to_federal_budge
> t_cuts.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Derek,
I'll take that as evidence it's a good litmus test, since you seem somewhat on the fence between Libertarians and the GOP. 8) But I'm not going to pressure you to choose one or the other as more desirable, it's just a thought experiment.
Yours in liberty,
<<< starchild >>>
P.S. - I don't know how you can stand to work 90 hours a week, let alone how you manage to do it and still be an active conversant on these lists and show up at a lot of our meetings and social events. Maybe you're not really "working" a good part of the time you're "at work," but even so... Part of me admires your work ethic and part of me thinks you're insane. I just hope you get good vacations.
Starchild:
I agree with both of these statements simultaneously.
If they're only paying $400 a month rent \(Ron's example, which doesn'tseem like an unreasonable assumption if they've been here a while),
moving to another city might not necessarily save them much money.I certainly agree that the programs should be discontinued, althoughthere are many, many other government cuts I would prefer to see made
first, if I got to pick and choose. I've also got a potential litmus
test as to whether one's sympathies are fundamentally more Republican
or Libertarian, which goes something like this:You hear that an elderly person living on $800 a month with half hermoney going to rent is about to have her government food subsidy cut
and may not be able to afford to eat properly. Which of the following
do you feel is a more desirable mental reaction to this news:-It's her choice to live in an expensive city, and it was her choice
not to save money; quite likely she's still smoking or drinking or
buying lottery tickets with money that could be used for food. I don't
feel sorry for her.-Damn the statists and their government for bleeding the civil sector
and private charity while discouraging personal responsibility and
fostering government dependency to the point that elderly people are
reduced to such straits!Yours in liberty,
<<< starchild >>>> How many of these elders drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes? How many
> of them buy lottery scratch tickets or go to feed the slot-machines in
> the casinos? Life is full of trade-offs. Each of these old persons
> has decided to live in expensive San Franciscothan move toa lower
> cost of living area. I don't feel sorry for them at all.
>
> Another problem with continuing these programs is that it gives
> current peoplea perverse incentive to NOT save for the future.>
> Dear Derek;
>
> If you have an elderly person living on $800 a month and half goes
> to rent and the other half goes to gas/electric and Medicare and
> medicine not covered by Medicare and medicare premiums and clothing
> and laundry and food and what the heck is going to be left over to
> cut from a budget??? Are you talking literally penny pinching?
>
> As far as expensive to live here to move from here to another less
> expensive place is going to take how much money??? And what kind of
> a first and last deposit and security payment? Secondly what will
> the support services needed by an elder be like in comparison??? Etc
> etc etc. Please cite examples of how this could be done by an Elder
> living on $800 a month with no net dispoable left over???
>
> I asked for real world responses to a real world situation not a
> response which seems to be a little bit to much in the cavalier
> vein.
>
> Now try again and come up with a real world response on how to
> replace food boxes cut from elders who could use the extra can of
> tuna fish and stretch it for a week???
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com , "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I volunteer to give one hour of personal financial advice to
> anyone that
> > this affects.I will show them other places in their budget that
> they can
> > cut in order to continue eating healthy meals.
> >
> > Another option is for them to beg their adult children for money.
> This is
> > far more honorable than taking stolen money from the taxpayers.
> >
> > -Derek
> >
> > >
> > >Every penny being paid to any government worker or any worker
> at a
> > > company in a division funded by tax money making over $100K
> should have
> > > their salary reduced and all funds collected should go to this
> feeding
> > > program.
> > >
> > > What do you say?
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > > *From:* lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
> discuss@yahoogroups.com ]
> > > *On Behalf Of *Ron Getty
> > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:00 PM
> > > *To:* Libertarian Yahoo Group
> > > *Subject:* [lpsf-discuss] 1,000 SF Elders Get Monthly Food Boxes
> CUT!! NOW
> > > WHAT!!!
> > >
> > > Dear Everyone;
> > >
> > > This article in todays Examiner prompts me to ask SF
> Libertarians how to
> > > solve this problem - TODAY - RIGHT HERE - IMMEDIATELY because it
> requires an
> > > immediate response.
> > >
> > > Based on budget cuts 1,000 SF seniors who receive a monthly food
> box will
> > > have to be cut from the food box program. These are Elders
> living on - more
> > > likely existing on - social security at about $800 - $1000 a
> month. Think
> > > rent food medical etc first and what if anything is left over.
> > >
> > > Question: What can we as tax-cut approving Libertarians propose
> to do
> > > TODAY - RIGHT NOW - to get food boxes to those Elders who will
> be cut from
> > > the program? Or better yet all the 500,000 Elders on the program
> nationally
> > > so $128 million can be cut from the budget.
> > >
> > > BTW I am not interested in hearing what these Elders could have
> should
> > > have didn't of have done so they would be in those
> circumstances. It is a
> > > currently existing situation - discussing past events of what
> should have
> > > been done will not be considered and is immaterial if your are
> facing going
> > > hungry.....
> > >
> > > http://www.examiner.com/US-
> a58009~1_000_fewer_seniors_to_receive_food_boxes_due_to_federal_budge
> t_cuts.html
> > >
> > > Ron Getty
> > >
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