Nothing struck you about my observations. You're trying to be
clever............so forgive me if I don't thank you for trying to save my
Again, what strikes me about you is how shallow your observations about
Christianity are. Your condemnations typically involve the behaviors of
Christians and not the teachings of the church,.
Someone in this thread made mention of the violence of Christians during the
middle ages.........I would remind that this is in spite of the Christian
religion and not because of it. Jesus was not an oppressor and his
teachings go against every possible behavior required of one to be an
Also dear Starchild.......from a historical point of view one might add that
the Catholic Church of Medieval times was in fact staffed by Popes or
Bishops who could be described as oppressive, but those were unfortunately
the times. But the cogent point is that there was no more a force for
liberty during those times than the independent Church. It was literally
the only effective check upon the behavior of the State, everywhere it was.
The seeds of liberty would have never been planted in Europe had the rulers
not had a check upon their limitless powers.
You also seem to have forgotten your first grade history lessons in that
those who ultimately transplanted liberty to places where there were no
kings, were Christians.
Now lest you find me naive I am well aware that there are plenty of
Christians who think their brand of Christianity should ultimately be
accepted as the "official" state version and that we should all live under
its teachings, and unfortunately "their rule" think Falwell
here...............again, like the guy who leaves the Church forever because
he encounters hypocrisy and ugly behavior.................this has little to
do with the teachings of the religion and more to do with the tendency of
man to try and accumulate power.
Fortunately, a young republic had both Jefferson and Madison.
" Be it enacted by the General Assembly, That no man shall be compelled to
frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever,
nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or
goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious belief; but
that all men shall be free to profess, and by arguement to maintain, their
opinion in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish,
enlarge, or affect their civil capacities".
In order that my stoner libertarian friend leaves a little in the sack for
the rest of us...........I'll sign off this thread
You and Eric feel free to continue bashing away, but youre losing my