Ron, et al;
This document (http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html) is a good reason why we should strive to have the U.S. removed from the U.N., and the U.N. removed from the U.S.
Rich
Dear Richard and Et Alia;
The obvious thing is to dis-band the UN completely. It's nothing more than a doormat organization and has never done anything to help anyone anywhere at anytime since its founding. It solely exists to allow the diplomats to suck money out of there respective countries and line their pockets with the moola. Like the Iraq Oil For Food boondoggle. All the hotshots made money and the people still starved.
Hi Dere - Koffi Annan - and family - got enough squirreled away to retire on???
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
Richard Newell <richard@...> wrote:
Ron, et al;
This document (http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html) is a good reason why we should strive to have the U.S. removed from the U.N., and the U.N. removed from the U.S.
Rich
Assuming that I, too, qualify as an alias you wish to hear from, please
know that I strongly disagree!
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights specifies the very rights we
expect as libertarians. In some ways it does not go far enough, such as
permitting laws relating to morality. It forbids slavery, torture, exile,
arbitrary arrest, ex post facto laws, etc. and guarantees equality before
the law, due process, private property, freedom of religion, etc. I does
specify a minimal "safety net", but seemingly only for people who will work
if they can. How can you possible object to the Universal Declaration of
Human Rights?
The United Nations has helped prevent many wars. Most recently, it tried to
prevent the US attack on Iraq. For this reason, the US government started
slandering the UN. Corruption within an organization has nothing to do with
that organizations value. Perhaps changing the structure or the processes
could prevent corruption, but the need for such changes does not invalidate
the need for the organization. Should we abolish Congress because of Delay
or Cunningham? In the case of the Oil for Food bribery cases, the guilty
parties, as I remember, were all either Americans or working from the US.
Harland Harrison
Vice Chair, Libertarian Party of San Mateo County, CA
harrison@...
http://Harrison2006.LPSM.org
Dear Richard and Et Alia;
The obvious thing is to dis-band the UN completely. It's nothing more than a
doormat organization and has never done anything to help anyone anywhere at
anytime since its founding. It solely exists to allow the diplomats to suck
money out of there respective countries and line their pockets with the
moola. Like the Iraq Oil For Food boondoggle. All the hotshots made money
and the people still starved.
Hi Dere - Koffi Annan - and family - got enough squirreled away to retire
on???
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
Richard Newell <richard@...> wrote:
Ron, et al;
This document (http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html) is a good reason why
we should strive to have the U.S. removed from the U.N., and the U.N.
removed from the U.S.
Rich
Dear Harlan;
I believe the Human Rights Document is a nice document and it addresses some very nice sentiments. I object because it is a toothless document - really nice words - but how many governments have signed on to it and how many of those governments have followed it? NADA! How many governments have not signed on to it and could care less???
It's a hollow document because if it had been followed to the "Libertarian" letter as you describe it - Korea would not have happened - Vietnam would not have happened -Panama - Grenada - Iraq I and Iraq II - that whole Balkans mess Nicaragua - Chile - The Shah of Iran - Tibet - Turkey assaults on Kurds - Burma and Cambodia and a couple hundred thousand Africans would be alive today who got wiped out by genocidal assaults simply because they belonged to the wrong tribe.
You ask should we abolish Congress because of DeLay and Cunningham? Hell Yes!!! Any excuse to get rid of those Verminous Rats in Washington!!!! With the exception of Ron Paul who fights the good fight.....
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
P.S. In case you have not guessed I tend towards being a Radical Anarcho-Libertarian.
Harland Harrison <harlandh5@...> wrote:
Assuming that I, too, qualify as an alias you wish to hear from, please know that I strongly disagree!
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights specifies the very rights we expect as libertarians. In some ways it does not go far enough, such as permitting laws relating to morality. It forbids slavery, torture, exile, arbitrary arrest, ex post facto laws, etc. and guarantees equality before the law, due process, private property, freedom of religion, etc. I does specify a minimal "safety net", but seemingly only for people who will work if they can. How can you possible object to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights?
The United Nations has helped prevent many wars. Most recently, it tried to prevent the US attack on Iraq. For this reason, the US government started slandering the UN. Corruption within an organization has nothing to do with that organizations value. Perhaps changing the structure or the processes could prevent corruption, but the need for such changes does not invalidate the need for the organization. Should we abolish Congress because of Delay or Cunningham? In the case of the Oil for Food bribery cases, the guilty parties, as I remember, were all either Americans or working from the US.
Harland Harrison
Vice Chair, Libertarian Party of San Mateo County, CA
harrison@...
http://Harrison2006.LPSM.org
Dear Richard and Et Alia;
The obvious thing is to dis-band the UN completely. It's nothing more than a doormat organization and has never done anything to help anyone anywhere at anytime since its founding. It solely exists to allow the diplomats to suck money out of there respective countries and line their pockets with the moola. Like the Iraq Oil For Food boondoggle. All the hotshots made money and the people still starved.
Hi Dere - Koffi Annan - and family - got enough squirreled away to retire on???
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
Richard Newell <richard@...> wrote:
Ron, et al;
This document (http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html) is a good reason why we should strive to have the U.S. removed from the U.N., and the U.N. removed from the U.S.
Rich
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Dear Derek;
Yes and it is pure Loony Tunes.
Although keeping one thing in mind for the time it was written 1948
after WWII it is quite an enlightened document given the context of
the times and Red Russia hovering over Europe and Red China hovering
over Asia and the USA hovering over everything.
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Derek Jensen <derekj72@...>
wrote:
Am I the only one that notices that the Universal Declaration of
Human
Rights gets loony right around Article 22 and continues in an
extremely
unlibertarian way through the end of the document?
>
> Dear Harlan;
>
> I believe the Human Rights Document is a nice document and it
addresses
> some very nice sentiments. I object because it is a toothless
document -
> really nice words - but how many governments have signed on to
it and how
> many of those governments have followed it? NADA! How many
governments have
> not signed on to it and could care less???
>
> It's a hollow document because if it had been followed to
> the "Libertarian" letter as you describe it - Korea would not
have happened
> - Vietnam would not have happened -Panama - Grenada - Iraq I and
Iraq II -
> that whole Balkans mess Nicaragua - Chile - The Shah of Iran -
Tibet -
> Turkey assaults on Kurds - Burma and Cambodia and a couple
hundred thousand
> Africans would be alive today who got wiped out by genocidal
assaults simply
> because they belonged to the wrong tribe.
>
> You ask should we abolish Congress because of DeLay and
Cunningham? Hell
> Yes!!! Any excuse to get rid of those Verminous Rats in
Washington!!!! With
> the exception of Ron Paul who fights the good fight.....
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> P.S. In case you have not guessed I tend towards being a Radical
> Anarcho-Libertarian.
>
> *Harland Harrison <harlandh5@...>* wrote:
>
> Assuming that I, too, qualify as an alias you wish to hear
from,
> please know that I strongly disagree!
>
> The Universal Declaration of Human Rights specifies the very
rights we
> expect as libertarians. In some ways it does not go far enough,
such as
> permitting laws relating to morality. It forbids slavery,
torture, exile,
> arbitrary arrest, ex post facto laws, etc. and guarantees
equality before
> the law, due process, private property, freedom of religion,
etc. I does
> specify a minimal "safety net", but seemingly only for people
who will work
> if they can. How can you possible object to the Universal
Declaration of
> Human Rights?
>
> The United Nations has helped prevent many wars. Most recently,
it tried
> to prevent the US attack on Iraq. For this reason, the US
government
> started slandering the UN. Corruption within an organization
has nothing to
> do with that organizations value. Perhaps changing the
structure or the
> processes could prevent corruption, but the need for such
changes does not
> invalidate the need for the organization. Should we abolish
Congress
> because of Delay or Cunningham? In the case of the Oil for Food
bribery
> cases, the guilty parties, as I remember, were all either
Americans or
> working from the US.
>
>
> Harland Harrison
> Vice Chair, Libertarian Party of San Mateo County, CA
> harrison@...
> http://Harrison2006.LPSM.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Richard and Et Alia;
>
>
> The obvious thing is to dis-band the UN completely. It's nothing
more than
> a doormat organization and has never done anything to help
anyone anywhere
> at anytime since its founding. It solely exists to allow the
diplomats to
> suck money out of there respective countries and line their
pockets with the
> moola. Like the Iraq Oil For Food boondoggle. All the hotshots
made money
> and the people still starved.
>
>
> Hi Dere - Koffi Annan - and family - got enough squirreled away
to retire
> on???
>
>
> Ron Getty
>
> SF Libertarian
>
>
>
> *Richard Newell <richard@...>* wrote:
>
>
>
> Ron, et al;
>
>
> This document (http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html) is a good
reason
> why we should strive to have the U.S. removed from the U.N., and
the U.N.
> removed from the U.S.
>
>
> Rich
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* tradergroupe <mailto:tradergroupe@…>
>
> *To:* lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2006 6:44 PM
>
> *Subject:* [lpsf-discuss] Re: When Satirical Cartoons Push the
Limit
>
>
> Dear Mike and Everyone Else;
>
> Strange for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights to be used
as
> an argument for religious freedom and freedom of speech by the
semi-
> official newspaper of the Vatican.
>
> While this Declaration was passed back in 1948 if its tenets had
> been followed a few wars and the genocidial treatments of various
> races in various countries around the world would not have
happened.
> But C'est la vie!
>
> This is a url for the Declaration. Read the Declaration and weep
> over the lost lives and wounded souls and rendered bodies who
> believed in the words so nobly stated but so ineffectually
> instituted to do any of what was promised.
>
> Leaving wrack and ruin behind with nothing left to do but wrap
> oneself in sack cloth. Then pour the ashes of the dead across the
> the infertile land salting the soil against any growth of
freedom.
> Since no freedom can grow where the earth is stripped of the
vital
> nutrients to foster such growth by the State and its vain-
glorious
> merciless minions wehose only desire is create slaves to the
> State.....
>
> http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
>
> >
> > When Satirical Cartoons Push the Limit
> > "Licit to Wound Others' Religious Sentiment?" Asks
L'Osservatore
> >
> > VATICAN CITY, FEB. 7, 2006 (Zenit.org <http://www.zenit.org <
> http://www.zenit.org/> > ).-
> The
> > Vatican's semiofficial newspaper proposed an examination of
> conscience
> > on the question of freedom of speech, in the wake of violence
> linked to
> > the publication of cartoons about Mohammed.
> >
> > L'Osservatore Romano stated that such an examination should
> include the
> > media and all countries, explicitly a Spanish case, where a
> theatrical
> > performance ridicules the Pope, threatens Catholics and
incites to
> > apostasy, and a television program that explained "how to cook
a
> > crucifix."
> >
> > "Is it licit, in the name of freedom of thought, to wound the
> religious
> > sentiments of those who belong to a given confession?" asks
> journalist
> > Francesco Valiente, in the newspaper's Feb. 6-7 Italian
edition.
> >
> > "Where does the right of expression begin and where does
offense
> to the
> > inner convictions of others begin?" he continues. "What is the
> > borderline between satire and derision, between wit and
outrage,
> between
> > irony and blasphemy?
> >
> > "Different levels are mixed and sometimes confused in the
> question: the
> > juridical and cultural, the ethical and deontological."
> >
> > "There is no doubt," Valiente adds, "that the right to express
> one's
> > thought and the right to freely profess a religion are fully
> entitled in
> > the fundamental and inalienable human rights recognized
> universally" for
> > the past 60 years by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
> >
> > At the same time, "there is no doubt that every genuine
expression
> of
> > the first of these rights meets with a natural -- to describe
it
> in some
> > way -- limit in the full and integral realization of the
second,"
> adds
> > the author.
> >
> > Satire
> >
> > "Should not the much-trumpeted 'secularism' of modern society
find
> one
> > of its cardinal points of reference precisely in understanding
and
> > respect for the 'other's' convictions, even if they are
different
> and
> > antithetical to one's own?" he asks.
> >
> > The article defines the pedagogic and moral function of satire
> with the
> > ancient Latin adage "castigat ridendo mores" (castigate customs
> > laughing).
> >
> > The text praises satire, for example, "when it has lashed out
at
> evil
> > customs and denounced the injustices of every age, unmasking
the
> > idolatry of the 'powerful,' depriving it of that sacred and
artful
> halo
> > which often concealed vices and corruption."
> >
> > But this, the author adds, has nothing to do
> with "low, 'sacrilegious'
> > whims. When its target is the values and symbols of religion,
of
> the
> > sacred in the absolute and indefectible sense, it inevitably
loses
> its
> > nature and function," Valiente adds.
> >
> > "Being deprived of any critical and educational objective, it
> becomes
> > mere rage. It is transformed into gratuitous vulgarity," he
notes.
> >
> > And in the case of the Mohammed cartoons or blasphemies
against the
> > crucifix in Spain, "the artistic and cultural or
simply 'satirical'
> > value is not clear," asserts the Vatican newspaper.
> >
> > The article ends by stating that what happened in Spain does
not
> seem
> > "to have aroused particular contempt in public opinion.
However,
> between
> > the excesses of the media noise and condescending silence,
remains
> > offended dignity, the wounded conscience."
> > ZE06020720
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
> discuss@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Derek Jensen
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:52 PM
> > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Iran's holocaust cartoon
competition
> >
> >
> >
> > I will not dignify this question with an answer.
> >
> >
> >
> > > OK, but it's certainly not for the Arab's lack of trying to
> occupy
> > > Israel. Fortunately, Israel can defend herself.
> >
> > Derek,
> >
> > Do you feel "arabs" are any less human that Israelis or
yourself?
> >
> > -- Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > View my blog at http://derekj72.blogspot.com <
> http://derekj72.blogspot.com/>
> >
>
>
>
>
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