WHAT IS YOUR POLITICAL TYPOLOGY?

Dear Everyone;

An interesting NY Times article about a recent PEW Report on political typology.The PEW Report URL.: http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=242

The PEW Report also had a copy of the survey used which you can take.

                       http://typology.people-press.org/typology/

The main problem with the survey it is oriented around Republicans and Democrats and does not adjust for other political parties. Using Libertarian philosophy you will most likely be tagged an Enterpriser.

I highlighted key paragraphs from the NY Times article which simply states poor Republicans believe in optimistic individualism. There may be something there for Libertarians to consider in messages about what Libertarians stand for and don't stand for.

I also sent a e-mail to the e-mail address on the PEW Report stating the fact there is a third poltical party known as Libertarians. And suggested future PEW Report surveys should reflect this party as well as Republicans and Democrats.

The last paragraph of the article should be a warning fired across the bows of the Republican ship of state if Hillary becomes the Democratic candidate for president in 2008. And also a possible message for Libertarians to use. Showing how less government will make it possible to build the education and retirment funds because less money will be taken in taxes leaving more for personal use.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

NY TIMES

May 15, 2005
Meet the Poor RepublicansBy DAVID BROOKS

Last week the Pew Research Center came out with a study of the American electorate that crystallized something I've been sensing for a long time: rich people are boring, but poor people are interesting.

The Pew data demonstrated that people at the top of the income scale are divided into stable, polar camps. There are the educated-class liberals - antiwar, pro-choice, anti-tax cuts - who make up about 19 percent of the electorate, according to Pew. And there are business-class conservatives - pro-war, pro-life, pro-tax cut - who make up 11 percent of voters.

These affluent people are pretty well represented by their parties, are not internally conflicted and are pretty much stuck in their ways.

But poorer voters are not like that. They're much more internally conflicted and not represented well by any party. You've got poor Republicans (over 10 percent of voters) who are hawkish on foreign policy and socially conservative, but like government programs and oppose tax cuts. You've got poor Democrats who oppose the war and tax cuts, but are socially conservative and hate immigration. These less-educated voters are more cross-pressured and more independent than educated voters. If you're looking for creative tension, for instability, for a new political movement, the lower middle class is probably where it's going to emerge.

Already, we've seen poorer folks move over in astonishing numbers to the G.O.P. George Bush won the white working class by 23 percentage points in this past election. Many people have wondered why so many lower-middle-class waitresses in Kansas and Hispanic warehouse workers in Texas now call themselves Republicans. The Pew data provide an answer: they agree with Horatio Alger.

These working-class folk like the G.O.P.'s social and foreign policies, but the big difference between poor Republicans and poor Democrats is that the former believe that individuals can make it on their own with hard work and good character.

According to the Pew study, 76 percent of poor Republicans believe most people can get ahead with hard work. Only 14 percent of poor Democrats believe that. Poor Republicans haven't made it yet, but they embrace what they take to be the Republican economic vision - that it is in their power to do so. Poor Democrats are more likely to believe they are in the grip of forces beyond their control.

The G.O.P. succeeds because it is seen as the party of optimistic individualism.

But when you look at how Republicans behave in office, you notice that they are often clueless when it comes to understanding the lower-class folks who put them there. They are good at responding to business-class types and social conservatives, but bad at responding to poor Republicans.

That's because on important issues, the poor Republicans differ from their richer brethren. Poor Republicans aspire to middle-class respectability, but they are suspicious of the rich and of big business. About 83 percent of poor Republicans say big business has too much power, according to Pew, compared with 26 percent of affluent Republicans. If the Ownership Society means owning a home, they're for it. If it means putting their retirement in the hands of Wall Street, they become queasy.

Remember, these Republicans are disproportionately young women with children. Nearly 70 percent have trouble paying their bills every month. They are optimistic about the future, but their fear of their lives falling apart stalks them at night.

Poorer Republicans support government programs that offer security, so long as they don't undermine the work ethic. Eighty percent believe government should do more to help the needy, even if it means going deeper into debt. Only 19 percent of affluent Republicans believe that.

President Bush has made a lot of traditional Republicans nervous with his big-government conservatism. He's increased the growth of nonsecurity domestic spending at a faster rate than Lyndon Johnson and twice as fast as Bill Clinton. But in so doing, he's probably laid down a welcome mat to precisely these poorer folks.

Even so, Republicans have barely thought about how to use government to offer practical encouragement to the would-be Horatio Alger heroes. They've barely explored their biggest growth market. If Republicans can't pass programs like KidSave, which would help poor families build assets for education or retirement, then Hillary Clinton, who is surprisingly popular with poor Republicans, will take their place.

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty <tradergroupe@y...>
wrote:

Dear Everyone;

An interesting NY Times article about a recent PEW Report on

political typology.The PEW Report URL.: http://people-
press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=242

The PEW Report also had a copy of the survey used which you can

take.

                       Typology | Pew Research Center

The main problem with the survey it is oriented around Republicans

and Democrats and does not adjust for other political parties. Using
Libertarian philosophy you will most likely be tagged an
Enterpriser.

I highlighted key paragraphs from the NY Times article which

simply states poor Republicans believe in optimistic individualism.
There may be something there for Libertarians to consider in
messages about what Libertarians stand for and don't stand for.

I also sent a e-mail to the e-mail address on the PEW Report

stating the fact there is a third poltical party known as
Libertarians. And suggested future PEW Report surveys should reflect
this party as well as Republicans and Democrats.

The last paragraph of the article should be a warning fired across

the bows of the Republican ship of state if Hillary becomes the
Democratic candidate for president in 2008. And also a possible
message for Libertarians to use. Showing how less government will
make it possible to build the education and retirment funds because
less money will be taken in taxes leaving more for personal use.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

NY TIMES

May 15, 2005
Meet the Poor RepublicansBy DAVID BROOKS

Last week the Pew Research Center came out with a study of the

American electorate that crystallized something I've been sensing
for a long time: rich people are boring, but poor people are
interesting.

The Pew data demonstrated that people at the top of the income

scale are divided into stable, polar camps. There are the educated-
class liberals - antiwar, pro-choice, anti-tax cuts - who make up
about 19 percent of the electorate, according to Pew. And there are
business-class conservatives - pro-war, pro-life, pro-tax cut - who
make up 11 percent of voters.

These affluent people are pretty well represented by their

parties, are not internally conflicted and are pretty much stuck in
their ways.

But poorer voters are not like that. They're much more internally

conflicted and not represented well by any party. You've got poor
Republicans (over 10 percent of voters) who are hawkish on foreign
policy and socially conservative, but like government programs and
oppose tax cuts. You've got poor Democrats who oppose the war and
tax cuts, but are socially conservative and hate immigration. These
less-educated voters are more cross-pressured and more independent
than educated voters. If you're looking for creative tension, for
instability, for a new political movement, the lower middle class is
probably where it's going to emerge.

Already, we've seen poorer folks move over in astonishing numbers

to the G.O.P. George Bush won the white working class by 23
percentage points in this past election. Many people have wondered
why so many lower-middle-class waitresses in Kansas and Hispanic
warehouse workers in Texas now call themselves Republicans. The Pew
data provide an answer: they agree with Horatio Alger.

These working-class folk like the G.O.P.'s social and foreign

policies, but the big difference between poor Republicans and poor
Democrats is that the former believe that individuals can make it on
their own with hard work and good character.

According to the Pew study, 76 percent of poor Republicans believe

most people can get ahead with hard work. Only 14 percent of poor
Democrats believe that. Poor Republicans haven't made it yet, but
they embrace what they take to be the Republican economic vision -
that it is in their power to do so. Poor Democrats are more likely
to believe they are in the grip of forces beyond their control.

The G.O.P. succeeds because it is seen as the party of optimistic

individualism.

But when you look at how Republicans behave in office, you notice

that they are often clueless when it comes to understanding the
lower-class folks who put them there. They are good at responding to
business-class types and social conservatives, but bad at responding
to poor Republicans.

That's because on important issues, the poor Republicans differ

from their richer brethren. Poor Republicans aspire to middle-class
respectability, but they are suspicious of the rich and of big
business. About 83 percent of poor Republicans say big business has
too much power, according to Pew, compared with 26 percent of
affluent Republicans. If the Ownership Society means owning a home,
they're for it. If it means putting their retirement in the hands of
Wall Street, they become queasy.

Remember, these Republicans are disproportionately young women

with children. Nearly 70 percent have trouble paying their bills
every month. They are optimistic about the future, but their fear of
their lives falling apart stalks them at night.

Poorer Republicans support government programs that offer

security, so long as they don't undermine the work ethic. Eighty
percent believe government should do more to help the needy, even if
it means going deeper into debt. Only 19 percent of affluent
Republicans believe that.

President Bush has made a lot of traditional Republicans nervous

with his big-government conservatism. He's increased the growth of
nonsecurity domestic spending at a faster rate than Lyndon Johnson
and twice as fast as Bill Clinton. But in so doing, he's probably
laid down a welcome mat to precisely these poorer folks.

Even so, Republicans have barely thought about how to use

government to offer practical encouragement to the would-be Horatio
Alger heroes. They've barely explored their biggest growth market.
If Republicans can't pass programs like KidSave, which would help
poor families build assets for education or retirement, then Hillary
Clinton, who is surprisingly popular with poor Republicans, will
take their place.

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty <tradergroupe@y...>
wrote:

Dear Everyone;

An interesting NY Times article about a recent PEW Report on

political typology.The PEW Report URL.: http://people-
press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=242

The PEW Report also had a copy of the survey used which you can

take.

                       Typology | Pew Research Center

The main problem with the survey it is oriented around Republicans

and Democrats and does not adjust for other political parties. Using
Libertarian philosophy you will most likely be tagged an
Enterpriser.

I highlighted key paragraphs from the NY Times article which

simply states poor Republicans believe in optimistic individualism.
There may be something there for Libertarians to consider in
messages about what Libertarians stand for and don't stand for.

I also sent a e-mail to the e-mail address on the PEW Report

stating the fact there is a third poltical party known as
Libertarians. And suggested future PEW Report surveys should reflect
this party as well as Republicans and Democrats.

The last paragraph of the article should be a warning fired across

the bows of the Republican ship of state if Hillary becomes the
Democratic candidate for president in 2008. And also a possible
message for Libertarians to use. Showing how less government will
make it possible to build the education and retirment funds because
less money will be taken in taxes leaving more for personal use.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

NY TIMES

May 15, 2005
Meet the Poor RepublicansBy DAVID BROOKS

Last week the Pew Research Center came out with a study of the

American electorate that crystallized something I've been sensing
for a long time: rich people are boring, but poor people are
interesting.

The Pew data demonstrated that people at the top of the income

scale are divided into stable, polar camps. There are the educated-
class liberals - antiwar, pro-choice, anti-tax cuts - who make up
about 19 percent of the electorate, according to Pew. And there are
business-class conservatives - pro-war, pro-life, pro-tax cut - who
make up 11 percent of voters.

These affluent people are pretty well represented by their

parties, are not internally conflicted and are pretty much stuck in
their ways.

But poorer voters are not like that. They're much more internally

conflicted and not represented well by any party. You've got poor
Republicans (over 10 percent of voters) who are hawkish on foreign
policy and socially conservative, but like government programs and
oppose tax cuts. You've got poor Democrats who oppose the war and
tax cuts, but are socially conservative and hate immigration. These
less-educated voters are more cross-pressured and more independent
than educated voters. If you're looking for creative tension, for
instability, for a new political movement, the lower middle class is
probably where it's going to emerge.

Already, we've seen poorer folks move over in astonishing numbers

to the G.O.P. George Bush won the white working class by 23
percentage points in this past election. Many people have wondered
why so many lower-middle-class waitresses in Kansas and Hispanic
warehouse workers in Texas now call themselves Republicans. The Pew
data provide an answer: they agree with Horatio Alger.

These working-class folk like the G.O.P.'s social and foreign

policies, but the big difference between poor Republicans and poor
Democrats is that the former believe that individuals can make it on
their own with hard work and good character.

According to the Pew study, 76 percent of poor Republicans believe

most people can get ahead with hard work. Only 14 percent of poor
Democrats believe that. Poor Republicans haven't made it yet, but
they embrace what they take to be the Republican economic vision -
that it is in their power to do so. Poor Democrats are more likely
to believe they are in the grip of forces beyond their control.

The G.O.P. succeeds because it is seen as the party of optimistic

individualism.

But when you look at how Republicans behave in office, you notice

that they are often clueless when it comes to understanding the
lower-class folks who put them there. They are good at responding to
business-class types and social conservatives, but bad at responding
to poor Republicans.

That's because on important issues, the poor Republicans differ

from their richer brethren. Poor Republicans aspire to middle-class
respectability, but they are suspicious of the rich and of big
business. About 83 percent of poor Republicans say big business has
too much power, according to Pew, compared with 26 percent of
affluent Republicans. If the Ownership Society means owning a home,
they're for it. If it means putting their retirement in the hands of
Wall Street, they become queasy.

Remember, these Republicans are disproportionately young women

with children. Nearly 70 percent have trouble paying their bills
every month. They are optimistic about the future, but their fear of
their lives falling apart stalks them at night.

Poorer Republicans support government programs that offer

security, so long as they don't undermine the work ethic. Eighty
percent believe government should do more to help the needy, even if
it means going deeper into debt. Only 19 percent of affluent
Republicans believe that.

President Bush has made a lot of traditional Republicans nervous

with his big-government conservatism. He's increased the growth of
nonsecurity domestic spending at a faster rate than Lyndon Johnson
and twice as fast as Bill Clinton. But in so doing, he's probably
laid down a welcome mat to precisely these poorer folks.

Even so, Republicans have barely thought about how to use

government to offer practical encouragement to the would-be Horatio
Alger heroes. They've barely explored their biggest growth market.
If Republicans can't pass programs like KidSave, which would help
poor families build assets for education or retirement, then Hillary
Clinton, who is surprisingly popular with poor Republicans, will
take their place.

This is really scary, and worse meshes my experience with political
reality living in the South.

I would agree that there is a large, poorly represeted block of
voters described as here: lower-middle-class, socially conservative,
nationalist, endemically fearful, charged with status-resentment,
suspicious of outsiders and minorites, antagonistic towards luxury
but enthralled with the vision of respectably making it,
lethargically "capitalist" or "socialist" but firmly looking at
politics to ensure/restore their place in the system.

The thought of a political movement really representing these
people: Oh, Goddess. I hope this country doesn't need a history
lesson.

Jeanine Ring

P.S. What about those of us who are culturally overeducated but
personally broke, pro-choice, anti-war, socially ultraliberal, love
immigration... who don't think the system is just, think people can
make it (sometimes) but only by conforming in ways they should not
have to, distrust big business and think our corporatist society is
a warped product of the state and think the 'work ethic' is a
corruption of the concept of individual self-sufficency in the
service of patriarchal notions of property, predictability, and
pleasure... but who also oppose regulations on commerce, have no
love for the collectors of taxes, and think everyone should carry
guns unless they prefer katanas or broadswords? Oh, and who don't
like "capitalism" but totally get off at the concept of a free
market (no, I don't think they're the same thing).