Yeah, Ron come serve with Me and "let freedom ring".
I'm not ready to give up on the democratic process. I have given up on those that came before us and a lot of others have also.
I'd bitc...slap Perata if he tried to keep Me out of a meeting. Therefore he wouldn't dare! As for the weak conspirators that he did keep out, they got what they deserved for not standing up...for freedom!
Ron:
Do you really think most elections in this country are rigged? As in
the election is just for show and some behind-the-scenes force
controls the actual results?
-Derek
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "eric dupree"
<dupreeconsults@...> wrote:
Yeah, Ron come serve with Me and "let freedom ring".
I'm not ready to give up on the democratic process. I have given up
on those that came before us and a lot of others have also.
I'd bitc...slap Perata if he tried to keep Me out of a meeting.
Therefore he wouldn't dare! As for the weak conspirators that he did
keep out, they got what they deserved for not standing up...for
freedom!
> From: tradergroupe <tradergroupe@...>
> To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: The libertarian "we"
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:19:01 -0000
>
>
> Dear Derek;
>
> "We" are just led to believe "we" get to elect the Mafia through a
> democratic process of rigged voting machines.
>
> Don't vote - it only encourages the scondrels and rascals and
> scalawags.
>
> Voting also "doesn't send a message" - especially when any
message is
> automatically ignored if it doesn't fit within the scheme of
power to
> me things an elected politicina does to get and keep power.
>
> Witness Perata literally locking out three legisltors because they
> attended a moderate Democrat dinner - or even bluntly telling
Leno to
> not run against Midgen.
>
> Who the hell does Perata think he is to decide who the voters of
SF
> and Marin should have as choices - such as it is - for their
elected
> officials - such as it is?
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
>
>
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@>
> wrote:
> >
> > We don't get to elect the mafia.
> >
> > >
> > > Starchild, > > I thoroughly endorse your perspective. "We"
are not the vile
> state
> > and the vile state is not "us." The state is a criminal gang.
We
> > libertarians are not part of it. > > If the Mafia took over
your
> > neighborhood, would your neighbors say: "John the store owner
> > hasn't paid 'us' (the Mafia) his protection money yet. What
> > should 'we' (the Mafia) do about it?" Of course not. > > Best,
> > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Starchild >
To:
> > lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007
> > 9:19 PM
> > > Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: The libertarian "we"
> > > > > Eric,
> > > > Each of us can help separate the people from the
governments by
> not
> > > referring to governments, their actions, or their employees,
> > with > possessive pronouns like "we," "us," "my," and "our."
> > > > When speaking politically, libertarians should reserve the
> > use of > these pronouns for other libertarians, fellow
travelers,
> > or in regards > to a particular issue, for people who are
seeking
> > freedom on that issue.
> > > > By doing this, we will create a more powerful sense of
> libertarian
> > > community and solidarity. It will be a sense of community and> > solidarity built around shared beliefs in freedom, rather than
> > simply > an accident of birth as is the case with nationalism,
> > racism, and > numerous other repugnant collectivist ways of
> > thinking.
> > > > With nationalism, you get to be part of a "we" with Pat
> Robertson,
> > > Hilary Clinton, Jeffrey Dahlmer (sp?), and many others
equally
Dear Derek;
As evidence of that I give you the last two presidential elections as
in Florida and Ohio. Major major massive election frauds all over the
place. Starting in Florida with the brother of the president to be as
governor and controlling how the voting system was set up and so on.
In Ohio the head of the Bush for president in Ohio was also the head
of the elctions system as secretary of state. Excuse me Mr. Ohio
Conflict of Ineterst he needed to resign one or the other way before
the election took place and all the chicanery which happened.
Rigged - rigged - rigged BTW: almost forgot Daley in Chicago
massaging vote counts so Kennedy could get elected.
Rigged rigged rigged rigged.
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:
Ron:
Do you really think most elections in this country are rigged? As
in
the election is just for show and some behind-the-scenes force
controls the actual results?-Derek
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "eric dupree"
<dupreeconsults@> wrote:
>
> Yeah, Ron come serve with Me and "let freedom ring".
> I'm not ready to give up on the democratic process. I have given
up
on those that came before us and a lot of others have also.
> I'd bitc...slap Perata if he tried to keep Me out of a meeting.
Therefore he wouldn't dare! As for the weak conspirators that he
did
keep out, they got what they deserved for not standing up...for
freedom!
> > From: tradergroupe <tradergroupe@>
> > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: The libertarian "we"
> > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:19:01 -0000
> >
> >
> > Dear Derek;
> >
> > "We" are just led to believe "we" get to elect the Mafia
through a
> > democratic process of rigged voting machines.
> >
> > Don't vote - it only encourages the scondrels and rascals and
> > scalawags.
> >
> > Voting also "doesn't send a message" - especially when any
message is
> > automatically ignored if it doesn't fit within the scheme of
power to
> > me things an elected politicina does to get and keep power.
> >
> > Witness Perata literally locking out three legisltors because
they
> > attended a moderate Democrat dinner - or even bluntly telling
Leno to
> > not run against Midgen.
> >
> > Who the hell does Perata think he is to decide who the voters
of
SF
> > and Marin should have as choices - such as it is - for their
elected
> > officials - such as it is?
> >
> > Ron Getty
> > SF Libertarian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > We don't get to elect the mafia.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Starchild, > > I thoroughly endorse your perspective. "We"
are not the vile
> > state
> > > and the vile state is not "us." The state is a criminal gang.
We
> > > libertarians are not part of it. > > If the Mafia took over
your
> > > neighborhood, would your neighbors say: "John the store owner
> > > hasn't paid 'us' (the Mafia) his protection money yet. What
> > > should 'we' (the Mafia) do about it?" Of course not. > >
Best,
> > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Starchild >
To:
> > > lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 21,
2007
> > > 9:19 PM
> > > > Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: The libertarian "we"
> > > > > > Eric,
> > > > > Each of us can help separate the people from the
governments by
> > not
> > > > referring to governments, their actions, or their
employees,
> > > with > possessive pronouns like "we," "us," "my," and "our."
> > > > > When speaking politically, libertarians should reserve
the
> > > use of > these pronouns for other libertarians, fellow
travelers,
> > > or in regards > to a particular issue, for people who are
seeking
> > > freedom on that issue.
> > > > > By doing this, we will create a more powerful sense of
> > libertarian
> > > > community and solidarity. It will be a sense of community
and
>
> > > solidarity built around shared beliefs in freedom, rather
than
> > > simply > an accident of birth as is the case with
nationalism,
What happened in 2006? Did the republican's forget the rigging
tactics?
Why bother spending money on campaign ads at all if it's rigged as
you say?
By what mechanism do you believe these elections are rigged?
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "tradergroupe"
<tradergroupe@...> wrote:
Dear Derek;
As evidence of that I give you the last two presidential elections
as
in Florida and Ohio. Major major massive election frauds all over
the
place. Starting in Florida with the brother of the president to be
as
governor and controlling how the voting system was set up and so on.
In Ohio the head of the Bush for president in Ohio was also the
head
of the elctions system as secretary of state. Excuse me Mr. Ohio
Conflict of Ineterst he needed to resign one or the other way
before
the election took place and all the chicanery which happened.
Rigged - rigged - rigged BTW: almost forgot Daley in Chicago
massaging vote counts so Kennedy could get elected.Rigged rigged rigged rigged.
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
--- In lpsf-discuss@...m, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@>
wrote:
>
> Ron:
>
> Do you really think most elections in this country are rigged?
As
in
> the election is just for show and some behind-the-scenes force
> controls the actual results?
>
> -Derek
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "eric dupree"
> <dupreeconsults@> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, Ron come serve with Me and "let freedom ring".
> > I'm not ready to give up on the democratic process. I have
given
up
> on those that came before us and a lot of others have also.
> > I'd bitc...slap Perata if he tried to keep Me out of a meeting.
> Therefore he wouldn't dare! As for the weak conspirators that he
did
> keep out, they got what they deserved for not standing up...for
> freedom!
> > > From: tradergroupe <tradergroupe@>
> > > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: The libertarian "we"
> > > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:19:01 -0000
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Derek;
> > >
> > > "We" are just led to believe "we" get to elect the Mafia
through a
> > > democratic process of rigged voting machines.
> > >
> > > Don't vote - it only encourages the scondrels and rascals and
> > > scalawags.
> > >
> > > Voting also "doesn't send a message" - especially when any
> message is
> > > automatically ignored if it doesn't fit within the scheme of
> power to
> > > me things an elected politicina does to get and keep power.
> > >
> > > Witness Perata literally locking out three legisltors because
they
> > > attended a moderate Democrat dinner - or even bluntly telling
> Leno to
> > > not run against Midgen.
> > >
> > > Who the hell does Perata think he is to decide who the voters
of
> SF
> > > and Marin should have as choices - such as it is - for their
> elected
> > > officials - such as it is?
> > >
> > > Ron Getty
> > > SF Libertarian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen"
<derekj72@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We don't get to elect the mafia.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Starchild, > > I thoroughly endorse your
perspective. "We"
> are not the vile
> > > state
> > > > and the vile state is not "us." The state is a criminal
gang.
> We
> > > > libertarians are not part of it. > > If the Mafia took over
> your
> > > > neighborhood, would your neighbors say: "John the store
owner
Dear Derek;
Instead of me describing the riggig let these news stories describe
the rigging from a variety of sources. In other words - rigged
rigged rigged rigged.....
http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/11/far04038.html
stolen
http://www.harpers.org/ExcerptNoneDare.html
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/995
These are just a sampling of the stories which appeared about the
rigged elections in Ohio.
For the fulll google list:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ohio+rigged+elections+results
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
BTW: Derek when are you going to get yourself a regular plain jane
yahoo email address which won't keep get being blocked by yahoo and
will get delivered like everyone elese's? It's is difficult to
respond to you when your e-mails are being currently blocked from
being delivered and the only way someone can know you sent a post is
by happenstance if checking back on an old LPSF posting.
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:
What happened in 2006? Did the republican's forget the rigging
tactics?Why bother spending money on campaign ads at all if it's rigged as
you say?By what mechanism do you believe these elections are rigged?
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "tradergroupe"
<tradergroupe@> wrote:
>
> Dear Derek;
>
> As evidence of that I give you the last two presidential
elections
as
> in Florida and Ohio. Major major massive election frauds all over
the
> place. Starting in Florida with the brother of the president to
be
as
> governor and controlling how the voting system was set up and so
on.
>
> In Ohio the head of the Bush for president in Ohio was also the
head
> of the elctions system as secretary of state. Excuse me Mr. Ohio
> Conflict of Ineterst he needed to resign one or the other way
before
> the election took place and all the chicanery which happened.
>
> Rigged - rigged - rigged BTW: almost forgot Daley in Chicago
> massaging vote counts so Kennedy could get elected.
>
> Rigged rigged rigged rigged.
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
>
>
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ron:
> >
> > Do you really think most elections in this country are rigged?
As
> in
> > the election is just for show and some behind-the-scenes force
> > controls the actual results?
> >
> > -Derek
> >
> > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "eric dupree"
> > <dupreeconsults@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah, Ron come serve with Me and "let freedom ring".
> > > I'm not ready to give up on the democratic process. I have
given
> up
> > on those that came before us and a lot of others have also.
> > > I'd bitc...slap Perata if he tried to keep Me out of a
meeting.
> > Therefore he wouldn't dare! As for the weak conspirators that
he
> did
> > keep out, they got what they deserved for not standing up...for
> > freedom!
> > > > From: tradergroupe <tradergroupe@>
> > > > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: The libertarian "we"
> > > > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:19:01 -0000
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Derek;
> > > >
> > > > "We" are just led to believe "we" get to elect the Mafia
> through a
> > > > democratic process of rigged voting machines.
> > > >
> > > > Don't vote - it only encourages the scondrels and rascals
and
> > > > scalawags.
> > > >
> > > > Voting also "doesn't send a message" - especially when any
> > message is
> > > > automatically ignored if it doesn't fit within the scheme
of
> > power to
> > > > me things an elected politicina does to get and keep power.
> > > >
> > > > Witness Perata literally locking out three legisltors
because
> they
> > > > attended a moderate Democrat dinner - or even bluntly
telling
> > Leno to
> > > > not run against Midgen.
> > > >
> > > > Who the hell does Perata think he is to decide who the
voters
> of
> > SF
> > > > and Marin should have as choices - such as it is - for
their
> > elected
> > > > officials - such as it is?
> > > >
> > > > Ron Getty
> > > > SF Libertarian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen"
<derekj72@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > We don't get to elect the mafia.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Starchild, > > I thoroughly endorse your
perspective. "We"
> > are not the vile
> > > > state
> > > > > and the vile state is not "us." The state is a criminal
gang.
> > We
> > > > > libertarians are not part of it. > > If the Mafia took
over
> > your
> > > > > neighborhood, would your neighbors say: "John the store
owner
> > > > > hasn't paid 'us' (the Mafia) his protection money yet.
What
> > > > > should 'we' (the Mafia) do about it?" Of course not. > >
> Best,
> > > > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:
Starchild
>
> > To:
> > > > > lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 21,
> 2007
> > > > > 9:19 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: The libertarian "we"
> > > > > > > > Eric,
> > > > > > > Each of us can help separate the people from the
> > governments by
> > > > not
> > > > > > referring to governments, their actions, or their
> employees,
> > > > > with > possessive pronouns like "we," "us," "my,"
and "our."
> > > > > > > When speaking politically, libertarians should
reserve
> the
> > > > > use of > these pronouns for other libertarians, fellow
> > travelers,
> > > > > or in regards > to a particular issue, for people who are
> > seeking
> > > > > freedom on that issue.
> > > > > > > By doing this, we will create a more powerful sense of
> > > > libertarian
> > > > > > community and solidarity. It will be a sense of
community
> and
> > >
> > > > > solidarity built around shared beliefs in freedom, rather
> than
> > > > > simply > an accident of birth as is the case with
> nationalism,
> > > > > racism, and > numerous other repugnant collectivist ways
of
> > > > > thinking.
> > > > > > > With nationalism, you get to be part of a "we" with
Pat
> > > > Robertson,
> > > > > > Hilary Clinton, Jeffrey Dahlmer (sp?), and many others
> > equally
> > > > > > unsavory. With a libertarian "we," you're in much
better
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Derek;
You are comparing apples and oranges.
You don't see stories about free and fair elections because there
hasn't been one since George Washington got elected as the first
President. All the others from then on have gone down hill.
The reason why there hasn't been another 9/11 is because the people
behind the 9/11 have won. The Constitution has been shredded - Bush
has been given powers in recent acts of congress to declare any US
citizen and I do mean any a enemy combatant and have the military
arrest them and hold them forever. Bush has scanned telephone calls
and bank accounts without warrants. People are treated like cattle by
the TSA because it's supposed to make them feel safe - not be safe.
Whether or not we have or have not had another 9/11 has had
absolutely nothing to do with the work being done in Afghanistan and
Iraq. I can not even begin to guess as to how you believe the attacks
on Afghanistan or Iraq stopped another 9/11. Total mystery to me as
to any connection between those attacks and another 9/11.
If anything Bush should have attacked Saudia Arabia as the majority
of 9/11 were Saudis or related to Saudis. There wasn't a single Iraqi
or Afghanistani involved.
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:
Ron:
The reason I can't match that is because stories AREN'T written
that tell
about free and fair elections. Much the same way that rarely does
one see a
story mentioning that there hasn't been another 9/11 style attack
on the US
since 2001 due to the work our men are doing in Iraq and
Afghanistan.
Muckracking always makes better copy.
-Derek
>
> Dear Derek;
>
> Instead of me describing the riggig let these news stories
describe
> the rigging from a variety of sources. In other words - rigged
> rigged rigged rigged.....
>
> http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/11/far04038.html
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6678v
>
>
> stolen
>
> Music News
>
> Page not found | Harper's Magazine
>
> Page not found | Harper's Magazine
>
> http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/995
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3cofkq
>
> These are just a sampling of the stories which appeared about the
> rigged elections in Ohio.
>
> For the fulll google list:
>
> ohio rigged elections results - Google Search
>
> ohio rigged elections results - Google Search
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> BTW: Derek when are you going to get yourself a regular plain jane
> yahoo email address which won't keep get being blocked by yahoo
and
> will get delivered like everyone elese's? It's is difficult to
> respond to you when your e-mails are being currently blocked from
> being delivered and the only way someone can know you sent a post
is
> by happenstance if checking back on an old LPSF posting.
>
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpsf-discuss%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@>
> wrote:
> >
> > What happened in 2006? Did the republican's forget the rigging
> > tactics?
> >
> > Why bother spending money on campaign ads at all if it's rigged
as
> > you say?
> >
> > By what mechanism do you believe these elections are rigged?
> >
> > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpsf-discuss%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> "tradergroupe"
> > <tradergroupe@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Derek;
> > >
> > > As evidence of that I give you the last two presidential
> elections
> > as
> > > in Florida and Ohio. Major major massive election frauds all
over
> > the
> > > place. Starting in Florida with the brother of the president
to
> be
> > as
> > > governor and controlling how the voting system was set up and
so
> on.
> > >
> > > In Ohio the head of the Bush for president in Ohio was also
the
> > head
> > > of the elctions system as secretary of state. Excuse me Mr.
Ohio
> > > Conflict of Ineterst he needed to resign one or the other way
> > before
> > > the election took place and all the chicanery which happened.
> > >
> > > Rigged - rigged - rigged BTW: almost forgot Daley in Chicago
> > > massaging vote counts so Kennedy could get elected.
> > >
> > > Rigged rigged rigged rigged.
> > >
> > > Ron Getty
> > > SF Libertarian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpsf-discuss%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ron:
> > > >
> > > > Do you really think most elections in this country are
rigged?
> > As
> > > in
> > > > the election is just for show and some behind-the-scenes
force
> > > > controls the actual results?
> > > >
> > > > -Derek
> > > >
> > > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpsf-discuss%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> "eric dupree"
> > > > <dupreeconsults@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, Ron come serve with Me and "let freedom ring".
> > > > > I'm not ready to give up on the democratic process. I have
> > given
> > > up
> > > > on those that came before us and a lot of others have also.
> > > > > I'd bitc...slap Perata if he tried to keep Me out of a
> meeting.
> > > > Therefore he wouldn't dare! As for the weak conspirators
that
> he
> > > did
> > > > keep out, they got what they deserved for not standing
up...for
> > > > freedom!
> > > > > > From: tradergroupe <tradergroupe@>
> > > > > > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com<lpsf-discuss%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: The libertarian "we"
> > > > > > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:19:01 -0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Derek;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "We" are just led to believe "we" get to elect the Mafia
> > > through a
> > > > > > democratic process of rigged voting machines.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don't vote - it only encourages the scondrels and
rascals
> and
> > > > > > scalawags.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Voting also "doesn't send a message" - especially when
any
> > > > message is
> > > > > > automatically ignored if it doesn't fit within the
scheme
> of
> > > > power to
> > > > > > me things an elected politicina does to get and keep
power.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Witness Perata literally locking out three legisltors
> because
> > > they
> > > > > > attended a moderate Democrat dinner - or even bluntly
> telling
> > > > Leno to
> > > > > > not run against Midgen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Who the hell does Perata think he is to decide who the
> voters
> > > of
> > > > SF
> > > > > > and Marin should have as choices - such as it is - for
> their
> > > > elected
> > > > > > officials - such as it is?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ron Getty
> > > > > > SF Libertarian
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com<lpsf-discuss%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Derek Jensen"
> > <derekj72@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We don't get to elect the mafia.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com<lpsf-discuss%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> <dredelstein@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Starchild, > > I thoroughly endorse your
> > perspective. "We"
> > > > are not the vile
> > > > > > state
> > > > > > > and the vile state is not "us." The state is a
criminal
> > gang.
> > > > We
> > > > > > > libertarians are not part of it. > > If the Mafia took
> over
> > > > your
> > > > > > > neighborhood, would your neighbors say: "John the
store
> > owner
> > > > > > > hasn't paid 'us' (the Mafia) his protection money yet.
> What
> > > > > > > should 'we' (the Mafia) do about it?" Of course not.
>
> > > Best,
> > > > > > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:
> Starchild
> > >
> > > > To:
> > > > > > > lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpsf-discuss%
40yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Wednesday, March 21,
> > > 2007
> > > > > > > 9:19 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: The libertarian "we"
> > > > > > > > > > Eric,
> > > > > > > > > Each of us can help separate the people from the
> > > > governments by
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > referring to governments, their actions, or their
> > > employees,
> > > > > > > with > possessive pronouns like "we," "us," "my,"
> and "our."
> > > > > > > > > When speaking politically, libertarians should
> reserve
> > > the
> > > > > > > use of > these pronouns for other libertarians, fellow
> > > > travelers,
> > > > > > > or in regards > to a particular issue, for people who
are
> > > > seeking
> > > > > > > freedom on that issue.
> > > > > > > > > By doing this, we will create a more powerful
sense of
> > > > > > libertarian
> > > > > > > > community and solidarity. It will be a sense of
> community
> > > and
> > > > >
> > > > > > > solidarity built around shared beliefs in freedom,
rather
> > > than
> > > > > > > simply > an accident of birth as is the case with
> > > nationalism,
> > > > > > > racism, and > numerous other repugnant collectivist
ways
> of
> > > > > > > thinking.
> > > > > > > > > With nationalism, you get to be part of a "we"
with
> Pat
> > > > > > Robertson,
> > > > > > > > Hilary Clinton, Jeffrey Dahlmer (sp?), and many
others