THE "ART OF LIBERTARIAN PERSUASION"

Discussion
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Thanks, Mike.

Janice and I have signed up. Watch out--after this seminar we'll be
able to persuade even Marcy and Bart to become anarchists!

Best, Michael

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Anarchists!!! Oh Noooo!! Actually, Michael, Bart is really a "quiet"
anarchist already, a peaceful resister. No so me.

Regards,

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Michael R. Edelstein"
<dredelstein@t...> wrote:

Thanks, Mike.

Janice and I have signed up. Watch out--after this seminar we'll be
able to persuade even Marcy and Bart to become anarchists!

Best, Michael

From: "Mike Denny" <mike@d...>
To: <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 7:33 AM
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] THE "ART OF LIBERTARIAN PERSUASION"

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Michael,

  How about using the persuasion skills you gain on Michael Cloud and Harry Browne themselves by trying to persuade them to come clean about who knew what and who did what in the Perry Willis scandal? They stonewalled the investigation by LP Chair Jim Lark and are apparently refusing to say anything more about what happened even though Browne promised an explanation.

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          <<< Starchild >>>

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Dear Starchild;

I don't know if this will answer the question you have about the Perry Willis thing but this is from the Browne web site:

            http://www.harrybrowne.org/2000/WillisCampaignReport.htm

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

Starchild <sfdreamer@...> wrote:
Michael,

      How about using the persuasion skills you gain on Michael Cloud and
Harry Browne themselves by trying to persuade them to come clean about
who knew what and who did what in the Perry Willis scandal? They
stonewalled the investigation by LP Chair Jim Lark and are apparently
refusing to say anything more about what happened even though Browne
promised an explanation.

Yours in liberty,
                              <<< Starchild >>>

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Ron,

  That campaign report by Perry Willis is from early 2001, before the scandal broke. Of course there were already a lot of concerns about finances in the Browne campaigns. Some of these concerns are addressed indirectly by Willis in his report; I do not remember the details now, but I remember reading stuff from both sides at the time and feeling like the explanations were insufficient.

  In any case, the matter I was referring to came to light later in 2001, and is described here by Liberty magazine editor R.W. Bradford: http://www.libertysoft.com/liberty/party.html. Beyond what is written there, I am not aware of any major developments in the scandal since then. It appears that what Bradford feared has come to pass -- the party leadership has opted to sweep the matter under the rug and "move on" rather than demanding an accounting.

Yours in liberty,
          <<< Starchild >>>

Dear Starchild;

I don't know if this will answer the question you have about the Perry Willis thing but this is from the Browne web site:

        http://www.harrybrowne.org/2000/WillisCampaignReport.htm

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

Starchild <sfdreamer@...> wrote:

Michael,

  How about using the persuasion skills you gain on Michael Cloud and

Harry Browne themselves by trying to persuade them to come clean about
who knew what and who did what in the Perry Willis scandal? They
stonewalled the investigation by LP Chair Jim Lark and are apparently
refusing to say anything more about what happened even though Browne
promised an explanation.

Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>

> Thanks, Mike.
>
> Janice and I have signed up. Watch out--after this seminar we'll be
> able to persuade even Marcy and Bart to become anarchists!
>
> Best, Michael
>
> From: "Mike Denny" <mike@drinksusa.com>
> To: <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 7:33 AM
> Subject: [lpsf-discuss] THE "ART OF LIBERTARIAN PERSUASION"
>
> +++ HARRY BROWNE AND MICHAEL CLOUD ARE BRINGING THE "ART OF
>
> LIBERTARIAN PERSUASION" TO A CITY NEAR YOU! +++
>
> WHERE AND WHEN?
>
> * Los Angeles, California (August 21-22)
>
> * San Francisco, California (October 16-17)
>
> Want to Learn the Secrets of Powerfully and Persuasively Communicating
>
> Libertarianism?
>
> You probably wouldn't believe us if we re-printed the rave reviews and
>
> testimonials of the Libertarians who have already attended "The Art of
>
> Libertarian Persuasion" Weekends. Their enthusiastic response has
>
> encouraged us to make it available to you.
>
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Starchild wrote:

the matter I was referring to came to light later in 2001,
and is described here by Liberty magazine editor
R.W. Bradford: http://www.libertysoft.com/liberty/party.html.
Beyond what is written there, I am not aware of any major
developments in the scandal since then.

I've yet to find any substantive response by Bradford (or anyone else who
shares his concerns) to these detailed statements by Willis (Dec 2001) and
Browne (2002):

http://www.harrybrowne.org/2000/WillisQ&A.htm
http://www.harrybrowne.org/2000/Willis.htm

Bradford's discussions of the matter seem somewhat hyperbolic, and in
reading him I find no disclosure of whatever factional allegiances or
history might color his reporting here. Browne and Willis do a little better
on this score.

FYI here is some interesting reading on an the earlier factionalism that led
the Cato Institute to split from the LP:
http://www.cato.org/dailys/01-01-03.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/bergland1.html

Certain forms of factionalism may be inevitable and even useful, but the
items above are not very encouraging.

Brian Holtz
LP candidate for Congress, CA14 (Silicon Valley)
http://marketliberal.org