SF City Tax Ban

Ron,

Great idea!

We were going to meet you at last Sunday's dinner. I was looking forward to seeing you at last, and was disappointed.

Any chance you'll attend tomorrow's meeting as restitution?

Best, Michael

Dear Dr. Mike;

I was going to be at the Sunday Maykedah dinner until I cracked a off a chunk of tooth Friday eating some almonds. It busted off along side a filling. Crunch crunch crunch CRACK! I had a temp replacement cap over the fracture. Then I really said ouch when I found out how much a permanent crown would be to save what was left of the tooth so I wouldn't be chewing on just one side forever. The evils of self-pay.

Saturday may be a possibility if I finish up a work project earlier rather than later.

Whoever said eating nuts was healthy for you is nuts!!!???!!!???

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

dredelstein@... wrote:
Ron,

Great idea!

We were going to meet you at last Sunday's dinner. I was looking forward to seeing you at last, and was disappointed.

Any chance you'll attend tomorrow's meeting as restitution?

Best, Michael

Dear Ron,

I am wondering if there could be an initiative banning City taxes
based on anything other than user fees. No "Business Tax" (based on
gross receipts), no "Payroll Tax" (based on gross wages). Most small
businesses detest the Business/Payroll Tax; especially the mean
spirit evidenced by the huge penalties levied for late payment. The
payroll tax would be the easiest to knock down, with the argument
that it discourages small businesses from hiring marginal workers.
Perhaps the newly created S.F. Taxpayers' Union could participate.

I concur with Michael Edelstein; we were indeed looking forward to
meeting you on Sunday. So sorry about your accident. It would be
great if you could come to the meeting tomorrow, Sat. 12th: 3:00 pm
Round Table Pizza upstairs, Geary Boulevard and 16th Ave.

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty <tradergroupe@y...>
wrote:

Dear Dr. Mike;

I was going to be at the Sunday Maykedah dinner until I cracked a

off a chunk of tooth Friday eating some almonds. It busted off along
side a filling. Crunch crunch crunch CRACK! I had a temp replacement
cap over the fracture. Then I really said ouch when I found out how
much a permanent crown would be to save what was left of the tooth so
I wouldn't be chewing on just one side forever. The evils of self-pay.

Saturday may be a possibility if I finish up a work project earlier

rather than later.

Whoever said eating nuts was healthy for you is nuts!!!???!!!???

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

dredelstein@t... wrote:
Ron,

Great idea!

We were going to meet you at last Sunday's dinner. I was looking

forward to seeing you at last, and was disappointed.

Any chance you'll attend tomorrow's meeting as restitution?

Best, Michael

To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] MORE ON Re: The Alcohol-Marijuana

Equalization Initiative

Dear Amarcy;

I'll drink to that.

How about starting locally and putting a ballot inititiative on the

San Francisco ballot to Ban All San Francisco City Taxes??? As the
saying goes first you learn to crawl then walk then run.

So a first small baby step would be this SF City Tax Ban...

Okay???

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

"Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@h...> wrote:
Dear Ron,

You say that "The symbolism [of local initiatives] would no longer

be

there if all major cities across the US passed such laws. Then
Congress would have to face the facts on personal drug use use vs.
dealers and growers." According to NORML, 11 (out of 50) states
have "decriminalization" laws; however, the description of
decriminalization as no arrest or criminal record for first time
offenders carrying a small amount of marijuana for personal use in
itself seems symbolic to me. Thus no matter how many cities passed
such laws, the War on Drugs would probably remain intact.

Personally, it is the huge amount of resources being applied to the
War on Drugs that bothers me. So, I would rather work on removing
the funding of the War (yes, both wars) by supporting anti-tax
legislators and legislation.

Marcy

> Dear Amarcy;
>
> You are correct. Until Congress re-writes the Drug War law AND

cuts

the funding which is handed out to local law enforcement for

being "

tough on drugs" local initiatives are purely symbolic. The

symbolism

would no longer be there if all major cities across the US passed
such laws. Then Congress would have to face the facts on personal
drug use use vs. dealers and growers.
>
> The best thing would be to completely repeal all War on Drug laws.
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@h...> wrote:
> Personally, I am not in favor of symbolic initiatives (Gun Ban,
> College Not Combat, for example). In San Francisco we have a law
on
> the books that encourages the city police to leave marijuana

users

> alone; narrow perspective, but the law accomplishes a specific
> objective. It is my understanding (please correct me if I am
> mistaken) that it is government at the federal level that is
raiding
> clinics, etc. If we can find a way to encourage drug
> decriminalization at the federal level, I would support such an
> endeavor.
>
> Marcy
>
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Michael R. Edelstein"
> <dredelstein@t...> wrote:
> >
> > Suggested initiative for LPSF for 2006.
> > ---------------------------------------
> >
> > Denver Votes to End Marijuana Use and Possession
Penalties
> >
> > On November 1, Denver became the second major city in less than

a

> > year to eliminate all civil and criminal penalties for the
> possession
> > of up to one ounce of marijuana by citizens age 21 and older.
> >
> > Fully 54 percent of voters passed "I-100: The Alcohol-Marijuana
> > Equalization Initiative." This initiative, led by the

organization

> > SAFER (Safer Alternative For Enjoyable Recreation), argued that
> local
> > laws should treat the private adult use and possession of
marijuana
> > in a manner similar to alcohol, and that its use by adults

should

> not
> > be subject to criminal penalties.
> > ############################################
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Dear Amarcy;

Placing a Small Business Tax Free Zone initiative on the ballot to do away with Payroll Taxes for small businesses City wide is workable. Include with it a repeal of the San Francisco Mimimum Wage Law for small businesses to encourage further hiring. Include with it a simplified license permit process for those businesses needing one. See the pdf for those permits below.

Their is no Gross Receipts taxes for business in SF this was repealed back in May 2001. There is just payroll taxes.

Perhaps having just a simple one stop filing fee business registration for small businesses and license permits. This also could include small property owners who also have to file if they own four or more units.

I have no doubt there are literally hundreds of small businesses operating out of peoples homes and apartments which are not registered with the the City or the State or the IRS.

San Francisco also requires business located out of the City doing business in the City to register in the City. How these are tracked is anyones guess but once again most do not pay anything unless caught.

Making San Francisco a Small Business Tax Free Zone could be based on the San Francisco Free Enterprise Zones created for special districts of SF.

http://www.sfgov.org/site/uploadedfiles/tax/business_zone/entzone.pdf

The only problem would be defining what is a Small Business. Should it be based on gross receipts or employment? Or a combination of both as some businesses are definitely labor intensive but others aren't.

Secondly, there are also License Permit Requirements for the Fire - Police - Health departments which includes a plethora of license permits. Some make sense some don't.

http://www.sfgov.org/site/uploadedfiles/tax/business_zone/BZbuzliclist_04yr.pdf

There are secondary taxes which have to be paid by hotels - parking garages - utility users and submitted but no provisions are made for the expenses of calculating and paying. This could be included as why do the calculations and not get paid to do the City's dirty work.

Include a repeal of the Hotel tax to encourage hotel hiring by lowering the costs of room rates and creating higher hotel room usage requiring more workers for cleaning.

Then there are the special business taxes for stadiums and strangely enough "roofers".

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
      
"Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@...> wrote:
Dear Ron,

I am wondering if there could be an initiative banning City taxes
based on anything other than user fees. No "Business Tax" (based on
gross receipts), no "Payroll Tax" (based on gross wages). Most small
businesses detest the Business/Payroll Tax; especially the mean
spirit evidenced by the huge penalties levied for late payment. The
payroll tax would be the easiest to knock down, with the argument
that it discourages small businesses from hiring marginal workers.
Perhaps the newly created S.F. Taxpayers' Union could participate.

I concur with Michael Edelstein; we were indeed looking forward to
meeting you on Sunday. So sorry about your accident. It would be
great if you could come to the meeting tomorrow, Sat. 12th: 3:00 pm
Round Table Pizza upstairs, Geary Boulevard and 16th Ave.

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty <tradergroupe@y...>
wrote:

Dear Dr. Mike;

I was going to be at the Sunday Maykedah dinner until I cracked a

off a chunk of tooth Friday eating some almonds. It busted off along
side a filling. Crunch crunch crunch CRACK! I had a temp replacement
cap over the fracture. Then I really said ouch when I found out how
much a permanent crown would be to save what was left of the tooth so
I wouldn't be chewing on just one side forever. The evils of self-pay.

Saturday may be a possibility if I finish up a work project earlier

rather than later.

Whoever said eating nuts was healthy for you is nuts!!!???!!!???

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

dredelstein@t... wrote:
Ron,

Great idea!

We were going to meet you at last Sunday's dinner. I was looking

forward to seeing you at last, and was disappointed.

Any chance you'll attend tomorrow's meeting as restitution?

Best, Michael

To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] MORE ON Re: The Alcohol-Marijuana

Equalization Initiative

Dear Amarcy;

I'll drink to that.

How about starting locally and putting a ballot inititiative on the

San Francisco ballot to Ban All San Francisco City Taxes??? As the
saying goes first you learn to crawl then walk then run.

So a first small baby step would be this SF City Tax Ban...

Okay???

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

"Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@h...> wrote:
Dear Ron,

You say that "The symbolism [of local initiatives] would no longer

be

there if all major cities across the US passed such laws. Then
Congress would have to face the facts on personal drug use use vs.
dealers and growers." According to NORML, 11 (out of 50) states
have "decriminalization" laws; however, the description of
decriminalization as no arrest or criminal record for first time
offenders carrying a small amount of marijuana for personal use in
itself seems symbolic to me. Thus no matter how many cities passed
such laws, the War on Drugs would probably remain intact.

Personally, it is the huge amount of resources being applied to the
War on Drugs that bothers me. So, I would rather work on removing
the funding of the War (yes, both wars) by supporting anti-tax
legislators and legislation.

Marcy

> Dear Amarcy;
>
> You are correct. Until Congress re-writes the Drug War law AND

cuts

the funding which is handed out to local law enforcement for

being "

tough on drugs" local initiatives are purely symbolic. The

symbolism

would no longer be there if all major cities across the US passed
such laws. Then Congress would have to face the facts on personal
drug use use vs. dealers and growers.
>
> The best thing would be to completely repeal all War on Drug laws.
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@h...> wrote:
> Personally, I am not in favor of symbolic initiatives (Gun Ban,
> College Not Combat, for example). In San Francisco we have a law
on
> the books that encourages the city police to leave marijuana

users

> alone; narrow perspective, but the law accomplishes a specific
> objective. It is my understanding (please correct me if I am
> mistaken) that it is government at the federal level that is
raiding
> clinics, etc. If we can find a way to encourage drug
> decriminalization at the federal level, I would support such an
> endeavor.
>
> Marcy
>
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Michael R. Edelstein"
> <dredelstein@t...> wrote:
> >
> > Suggested initiative for LPSF for 2006.
> > ---------------------------------------
> >
> > Denver Votes to End Marijuana Use and Possession
Penalties
> >
> > On November 1, Denver became the second major city in less than

a

> > year to eliminate all civil and criminal penalties for the
> possession
> > of up to one ounce of marijuana by citizens age 21 and older.
> >
> > Fully 54 percent of voters passed "I-100: The Alcohol-Marijuana
> > Equalization Initiative." This initiative, led by the

organization

> > SAFER (Safer Alternative For Enjoyable Recreation), argued that
> local
> > laws should treat the private adult use and possession of
marijuana
> > in a manner similar to alcohol, and that its use by adults

should

> not
> > be subject to criminal penalties.
> > ############################################
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> U s government grant Libertarian party U s government student

loan

California politics
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