RE: [West Coast Libertarians] A Reformer's Answer to: Libertarian Party 1972 - 2008: Rest in Peace.

Excellent comments on Denver from Walter Block...and good mentions of
our own Dr. Michael Edelstein.

Reflections on Attending the 2008 Libertarian Party Convention in Denver

by Walter Block <mailto:wblock@…>

Just this past weekend (5/22-25/08) I attended the Libertarian Party
Convention in Denver. In what follows are some reflections on this
experience, and ruminations on the future of the party in particular,
and on the libertarian movement in general.

I had heard, beforehand, that the LP was on the verge of being taken
over by conservatives, and nothing in my experience of that convention
was incompatible with that surmise. The first evidence I personally
witnessed in this regard was the high profile and very well-received
speech of Richard Viguerie, of all people. Thought I, uh, oh, what oh
what is this conservative
<Richard Viguerie - Google Search
&meta=> fund <http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/ConservativeHQ.com&gt;
raiser
<http://conservativehq.com/conservatism-101/sja-definition-of-conservati
ve/> even doing at an LP convention, let alone addressing it at a
plenary session?

The second time my nose was pushed into this new conservative reality of
the LP was when the moderator of the presidential debate was announced:
Jim Pinkerton. Happily, as his conservative credentials
<Jim Pinkerton - Google Search
eta=> were being read to the audience in his introduction, there was
widespread booing and hissing reverberating around the large hall. Well,
maybe, not all that widespread; I was doing so much of it myself that I
failed to realize that this was not at all the majority opinion of the
assembled delegates. To be fair to Mr. Pinkerton, apart from one minor
non-ideological glitch - he asked one question out of order - I thought
he did an excellent job as moderator. But why oh why was he chosen in
the first place? Were there no libertarian moderators around?

The main indication of the new conservative orientation of the
Libertarian Party (writing this last phrase, I confess, was very
irksome; but the truth is the truth) was of course the election of Bob
Barr as its presidential candidate, and of Wayne Allyn Root for vice
president.

Why do I say this? That question is equivalent to asking why I consider
both of these men to be conservatives, not libertarians; well, okay,
conservative libertarians. In some sense, this claim of mine is
difficult to defend, for, surely, there is a gradation between these two
views; there is no hard and clear distinction to be made between
libertarianism and conservatism. Certainly, there are conservative
libertarians, and libertarian conservatives. How, then, simply, to
distinguish Barr and Root from "real" libertarians?

I suggest two litmus tests: foreign policy and drug legalization. Lord
knows, libertarians disagree on many things. Heck, if you get 10
libertarians into a discussion, you'll have 10 different opinions on
many things, maybe even 11. But, there is unlikely to be any difference
of opinion on the importance of ending U.S. foreign imperialistic
interventionism, right now, and legalizing drugs, all of them,
immediately. Both are clear violations of the libertarian non-aggression
axiom, if ever there were any.

How, then, do Barr and Root stack up on these two questions. At the
convention, neither would clearly and unambiguously commit themselves to
the libertarian position on either of these two questions. Both avoided
a clear commitment to pulling U.S. troops, all of them, out of the some
730 military bases now located in roughly 130 different countries around
the globe. They evaded questions attempting to elicit clear positions on
these two issues. On the drug question they both hid behinds states'
rights: it is not a federal issue; they are running not for state but
federal office; therefore, let the states decide. In any case, they
would only commit themselves to medical marijuana, not its recreational
use, and legalization of anything stronger would certainly be anathema
to them. On foreign policy, they would only make "major" troop
withdrawals, not total and complete ones.

Since Ron Paul, a member of the Republican Party, not only embraces
these two planks, but makes them central elements of his candidacy for
that party's presidential nomination, we have arrived at an anomalous
pass where a prominent member of the GOP is more libertarian than the
two standard bearers of the LP. Who would have anticipated such a sorry
state of affairs? Who would have thunk it? Poor Murray Rothbard must be
spinning in his grave.

But perhaps I am being unfair. Perhaps I misheard, some of the answers
of Barr and Root in the presidential debate. After all, they came thick
and fast. Candidates were allowed only a minute or two for responses.
Maybe I got the wrong impressions?

In order to determine this, let us go to the record. Here is Root on war
<http://www.rootforamerica.com/home/wherestands.php&gt; :

"The WAR in Iraq:
*Republicans say "stay forever" (or 100 years as John McCain predicted).
Wrong answer. Democrats say "Go right now." Wrong answer. It is a much
more complicated issue than that. I believe the answer must involve a
combination of nuance, compromise and common-sense.
*Admit the Iraq war is a disaster.
*Admit post-war planning was a disaster.
*Admit it's a civil war in Iraq - and our boys do not belong in the
middle of a civil war. Our troops are not policeman.
*Use the success of the surge to declare victory and make plans to get
out of Iraq as soon as reasonably possible"

Well, yes. Our servicemen should not police a civil war, and, it cannot
be denied that the Iraq "police action" has been a total, complete and
utter disaster. But, leave "as soon as reasonably possible?" Why, you
can drive a big truck through that loophole. Why is "right now" the
"wrong answer"? In making this claim, Root shows himself as less
libertarian than even many members of the Democratic party.

And here is Root on drugs
<http://www.rootforamerica.com/home/wherestands.php&gt; :

"*The war on drugs is a failure - this is one of the biggest wastes of
taxpayer money. Let's start with legalization of medical marijuana -
this is a states' rights issue. The federal government has no
constitutional right to interfere in this issue versus states that have
approved the use of medical marijuana by individuals."

Again, yes. The war on drugs is a failure. Our jails are bulging with
victimless criminals, there has been murder and mayhem on our city's
streets, and there is widespread talk of invading countries other than
those in the "axis of evil" which do not follow our crop
"recommendations." Sure, let's, indeed "start with legalization of
medical marijuana." But, if this is truly "a states' rights issue" why
does our Libertarian Party Vice Presidential Candidate (I didn't enjoy
writing that, either) even mention it? And what, pray tell, about the
victimless crime of recreational marijuana, to say nothing about the
harder drugs?

What of Congressman Barr on these two issues? Look at this site
<http://www.badbarr2008.com/&gt; ; it shows Mr. Barr in a very poor
libertarian light, to say the least, not only on foreign policy and
drugs, but on a whole host of other important issues; see, also, in this
regard here
<http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2008/05/libertarian-party-1972-2008-re
st-in.html> , here <http://www.rationalreview.com/content/46750&gt; and
here <http://www.conservative.org/columnists/barr/070609bb.htm&gt; . Most
telling is a recent appearance of his on Fox television. See here
<http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Bob+Barr+on+Hannity+%26+Col
mes+4%2F9%2F08&search_type=> for Barr on Hannity and Colmes. For once,
I was actually rooting for Hannity (will we in the future see him
running for president on the LP ticket? He favors free enterprise, does
he not?) Hannity was trying to get to the bottom of Barr's views on
drugs, but the latter was too canny for the former.

Now that we have discussed some of the major indications that LP has
taken a sharp right turn toward conservatism, here are some minor ones:

* one of the speakers at the banquet to celebrate the Barr-Root
victory (the mayor of a small town in Wisconsin? Minnesota? He had a
failed run at the governorship of that state) had a slip of the tongue;
instead of saying "We libertarians...." He said "You libertarians..."
* the treatment of Anthony Gregory. I regard Anthony as one of the
most notable of the younger generation of libertarian theoreticians.
Indeed, his very numerous (he has contributed no fewer than 160 columns
to LewRockwell.com) and highly impressive publications, his magnificent
insights, his brilliant and inspiring lecturing ability, already in my
opinion render him one of the leaders of the entire libertarian
movement, young as he is (27 years old). I knew and was a friend of Roy
Childs, Jr., all during his life. Had Roy not been taken from us at an
altogether too young age, would have made even more signal contributions
to the cause of liberty. In my opinion, Anthony shows all the promise of
equaling, or even surpassing, the contributions of Roy Childs.

How was Anthony treated at this convention? Well, he was offered no
fewer than three speaking opportunities, which is fine. Indeed, it is
perfectly consistent with his accomplishments. But, two of them were
scheduled for small breakout rooms, with a total capacity of about 20.
His third talk was at a plenary session, but it was scheduled during a
dinner break on Saturday, May 24, right before the momentous
presidential debate. I was in the room; it had a seating capacity of
about 1000; I would estimate that only about two-dozen people were in
attendance. Fortunately, his magnificent extemporaneous talk was based
on this column <http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory160.html&gt; ,
his 160th LewRockwell.com entry, and thus is available for posterity.
All three of his presentations are available here, here and here.
(Editor's note: the speeches given by Gregory, Block and Edelstein are
not yet available; they will be inserted in the spots indicated when
they are. Look at these spaces in about a week or so, except for
Gregory's, which will be up within a few months).

But my favorite talk of his (of course I attended all three of them) was
the one where he attempted to wrestle with the question of when is a
political compromise pro-liberty, and when is it anti-liberty. There
must have been, oh, 8 people in attendance, roughly the same size of his
third audience. I also very much liked that analysis of his of rights
and privileges, with a similar sized audience.

* my own experiences. I was treated in roughly the same manner. I
was scheduled for two talks, both in breakout rooms. I volunteered to
give a third speech. My first, on economics for libertarians, had an
overflow in the small room with room for 20. Fortunately, we were able
to move to a "large" hall, where I had an audience of about 60. My
second two speeches, on libertarian punishment theory and fallacies,
misconceptions and controversies in libertarianism, had audiences of 3
and 7, respectively. No, those numbers are not misprints. My three talks
are available here, here and here (available next week, ed.).
* there was a motion to thank U.S. servicemen for tasks performed
abroad. It was approved overwhelmingly; there were no objections. Since
their military activity takes place mainly in Iraq and Afghanistan, I
had a hard time reconciling this with the libertarian non-aggression
axiom
* Dr. Mary Ruwart offered a motion to thank Dr. Ron Paul for his
services to libertarianism. This was not approved of overwhelmingly.
Instead, there were calls to examine the verbiage, because some of the
words "needed more careful study" in the (paraphrase) view of a delegate
who objected. Fortunately, this was beaten down in a vote by the
assembly.
* Vince Miller, proprietor of Laissez Faire Books, told me that
they had sold more publications at a recent meeting attended by 80
libertarians, than the so called Libertarian Party convention which had
almost 2000 attendees. When told by someone that it was surprising that
so few sales were made to libertarians, he corrected the speaker and
said that most of the delegates were conservatives, not libertarians. By
the way, a grand total of 11 copies of my book Defending the
Undefendable
<http://www.mises.org/store/Defending-the-Undefendable-P136C0.aspx?AFID=
14> were sold, as were a total of 3 of my new book Labor Economics from
a Free Market Perspective: Employing the Unemployable.

Enough with the negativism. What are some of the positive elements of
the LP convention experience, 2008?

First and foremost was Dr. Mary Ruwart. She was magnificent. I can think
of no better way to say this than that Murray Rothbard would have been
proud of her. She was the leader of the radical (non Barr-Root) caucus.
Her every spoken word was a credit to our movement. My favorite
statement of hers was when she nominated Steve Kubby for the party's
vice presidency, saying something to the effect that we should have at
least one libertarian on the ticket, someone who favors legalization of
all drugs, not just marijuana for medicinal use.

Second is another libertarian woman, Christine Smith. She was also a
candidate for the presidency, and did yeoman work in supporting
libertarian principle all throughout the proceedings. The highlight of
her contribution from my perspective was when she made an impassioned
plea to the assembly to the effect that Congressman Barr was not a
libertarian <http://www.nolanchart.com/article3895.html&gt; ; his views on
foreign policy, drugs, and several other issues were entirely
incompatible with libertarian principle. It was difficult for me to hear
her, though, so loud were the boos and hisses from the conservative
delegates. Well, I suppose, if you can't refute an argument, the
conservative tactic is to make it impossible for the speaker to be
heard. (In contrast, when the libertarians were expressing outrage with
the Republican credentials of Pinkerton, we were not trying to drown out
his introduction).

I got to hang around my very good friends Anthony Gregory and Michael
Edelstein. I got to hear magnificent presentations by both of them
(Michael spoke on libertarian feuding, burnout and public speaking: see
here; available soon). I renewed ties with dozens of friends and
acquaintances I haven't seen in years and even decades (boy, did they
look old); for example, Dave Walters, Joe Cobb, Dean Ahmad, Vince
Miller, Jim Elwood, Jim Peron, Jim Lark, Manny Klausner, Sharon Harris,
David Nolan, Willie Marshall, Michael Cloud, George Phillies. I met, oh,
another two-dozen interesting libertarians with whom I will now be in
contact

I did greatly enjoy the libertarian twists placed on the state by state
voting announcements: "we're from the state of X, home of bad guy Y, but
we apologize for that." "We're from the state that has the lowest taxes,
the greatest growth in LP membership, etc." One of the most moving of
these announcements was made by my own state LP chairman from Louisiana,
Adrien Monteleone, who thanked the assembly for the voluntary help
afforded us in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and attacked FEMA.

Another positive element of the 2008 LP Convention is that Barr will
take more votes from McCain than Mary Ruwart would have. I am already on
record <http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block99.html&gt; as favoring
socialist Obama over mad dog McCain, so this is all to the good. If Mary
Ruwart had won the LP nomination, and Obama beat out Hillary for the
Democratic one as seems likely as of this writing, Mary might have
attracted the votes of many (non-ideological) women, but this probably
would have been more at the expense of the Democrats than the
Republicans. Look, if you are determined to find a silver lining in this
LP debacle, here's one; don't blame me that it is so pathetic.

What of the future? What should libertarians now do? Quit the party en
masse? Set up a new party? If so, should we call it the Real Libertarian
Party? Flock to the banner of the Free State Project
<Free State Project; ? This all depends in my view upon what
happens in the next few months, but, before we consider any of that, let
us rehearse the reasons for having a libertarian party in the first
place.

Why have a libertarian party at all? To promote liberty, of course. But
how? Through education! When the party was started in 1971, the
knowledge of the electorate of libertarianism was, how shall I say this,
non existent. It was commonly confused with libertinism
<http://www.mises.org/journals/jls/11_1/11_1_7.pdf&gt; , librarianism,
Liberianism, Liberace and libertoonianism, whatever that is. Come to
think of it, while matters are much improved since then, there is still
more than quite a bit of that going around still. (Evidence: Hannity and
Colmes of course are no libertarians; but, they are supposed to be at
least knowledgeable about politics; they show little indication of this
in their interview of Barr.)

But if education is the goal, why create, of all things, a political
party? Why not just start a school, for goodness sakes? For two major
reasons.

First, the overwhelming majority of people are simply not interested in
political issues for most of the year. Instead, they are concerned with
earning a living, taking care of their children, and with their golf,
tennis or garden clubs, with pizza, beer and bowling, with professional
sports, movies, television, American Idol and, of course, sex. It is
only once every four (or two) years that their focus turns in this
direction to even the slightest degree. Then, they will at least pay
attention to politics, and the LP was designed to address this
educational opportunity.

By and large the Libertarian Party has acquitted itself pretty well in
this regard. Although at the top of the ticket we have garnered only
somewhat less than 1% of the vote, we have attracted more publicity than
otherwise would have accrued to us via lower-level successes such as
with wins for small town mayors and city councils, and by being the
balance of power in close elections between the two major parties in
congressional and governorship races. We are still confused with
libertinism, but not, I think, with libraries, Liberace, Liberia or
libertoonianism.

As for more narrowly construed education, there are already think tanks
such as the Mises Institute, and others, many others, that publish
libertarian writings and focus on encouraging young scholars to obtain
their PhD degrees, so as to be able to venture into the often
unwelcoming (to libertarians) academic world.

The second case for a Libertarian Party is that it is practically
costless in terms of manpower. What else could be done with the large
number of highly educated and motivated libertarians who are either
unable or unwilling to join a free market think tank or become a
university professor or journalist, the "secondhand dealers in ideas" of
Hayek? Think of all the doctors, engineers, lawyers, architects,
computer programmers and, yes, plumbers, carpenters, waiters, artists
and cab drivers who can only promote libertarianism as amateurs; that
is, they are not paid, as part of their profession, to engage in the
promotion of our ideology. What are they to do? Yes, they can and should
donate some of their money to libertarian think tanks, and those very
few universities that actually promote liberty on net balance. However,
in addition to finances, these people also have energy that, without the
vehicle of a libertarian party, would have no outlet. Well, I suppose
they could write letters to the editor, and place flyers on windshield
wipers, but an LP is surely a better vehicle to utilize their talents
than that.

With this background, we are now ready to consider the future of our
beloved LP (I say this as a long-time member and supporter of the party;
in 1972 I ran for the New York State Assembly, the lower house of the
New York congress; my motto? "Block for DisAssembly." Since then I have
run, once, for the LP Vice President candidacy, and have given dozens of
lectures, all around the country, to state LP annual meetings). What
should we now do? This depends, in my opinion, entirely on what ensues
in the coming months.

Here are several possible scenarios:

1. Barr shows great improvement as a libertarian, whether through
osmosis by interacting with libertarians, by reading some libertarian
literature, or perhaps by patterning his campaign after Ron Paul's. If
this happens, we can thank our lucky stars that he and his minions have
taken over the LP. They will likely bring in their train a
professionalism lacking in our past. Barr is sometimes considered the
second most libertarian oriented member of any recent congress. Perhaps
this scenario is within the realm of possibility. He has announced
himself as being willing to listen to long time members of the LP, to
engage in dialogue with them. Hey, stranger things have happened! But,
since there is no evidence of this actually occurring, at least as of
yet, let us at least consider some less optimistic scenarios.

2. Barr does not become any more libertarian than he now is; old dogs,
new tricks. He gets 1-3% of the vote, and leaves in disgust. Not so bad.
We can then have our party back. More, this would serve as a warning to
other professional invaders of the LP: libertarianism is not
transferable to non-libertarians. We have already seen an analogous
demonstration of this. After Ron Paul had such great success with his
money "bombs," other Republican candidates (e.g., Fred Thompson) tried
to emulate him. Instead of the millions raised by Dr. Paul, these pale
carbon copies attracted only a few pitiful thousands of dollars.

3. Barr's ideology does not move in our direction, and he gets 5-10% of
the vote. Then, we will have lost our party. Here, we have the model of
the Conservative and Liberal Parties of New York. They cannot win an
election, but the Republican and Democratic Parties have great
difficulty in succeeding without their support. The LP would then be
turned into a king maker, e.g., have a veto over a Republican candidate
who was not sufficiently similar to the Barr version of conservatism,
that is, one with a libertarian emphasis.

<http://www.mises.org/store/Defending-the-Undefendable-P136C0.aspx?AFID=
14> Under this assumption, would it pay to start a new (real)
libertarian party? Well, maybe. The biggest asset of the LP is its
ballot access. If we succeed, again, with the Real Libertarian Party
(RLP) would we not set ourselves up for another takeover by some future
Barr? Maybe the RLP should be local in nature only, so as to not set up
as tempting a target, as we were in 2008.

My bottom line, at least for the moment, is one of wait and see. The
ball is now on Barr's side of the net. Let us see in which direction he
smacks it. By all means, let us attempt to change his mind on issues of
importance to us. He won the election fair and square. Well, sort of,
what with all those Johnny-come-latelies to libertarianism. At least he
did so within the rules we ourselves had set up. Let us give him a
chance. We need not demand ideological purity. We would have been
deliriously happy with Ron Paul as our LP candidate. But, Ron's stances
on immigration and abortion do not comply with that of most
libertarians. For my own views on the first of these two contentious
issues, see here
<MEMORI88: Link Daftar SBOBET88 Terpercaya Nomor Satu Hari Ini
2003.pdf;> , here <http://mises.org/journals/jls/21_3/21_3_2.pdf&gt; , here
<http://www.mises.org/fullstory.asp?control=1522&gt; and here
<http://www.mises.org/journals/jls/13_2/13_2_4.pdf&gt; . For the second,
see here <http://www.mises.org/journals/lf/1977/1977_09.pdf&gt; , here
<http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block5.html&gt; , here
<MEMORI88: Link Daftar SBOBET88 Terpercaya Nomor Satu Hari Ini; , and here
<MEMORI88: Link Daftar SBOBET88 Terpercaya Nomor Satu Hari Ini

. We cannot expect more of Barr than Paul offers. Heck, we'll take

less, far less, and be content. But, surely, if no congruency on at
least foreign policy and the drug war emanate from Barr, then we cannot
enthusiastically support him, in my opinion. Whether we can support him
at all remains to be determined, as I see matters. In the meantime, I
urge the strategy of calling/emailing the Barr campaign, offering
reasons to end the war now, legalize all drugs, abolish the Fed, etc. He
says he is open to such communication; let us test this hypothesis.

I wish to acknowledge the help of Michael Edelstein and Lew Rockwell in
writing this essay.

May 31, 2008

Dr. Block [send him mail <mailto:wblock@…> ] is a professor of
economics at Loyola University New Orleans, and a senior fellow of the
Ludwig von Mises Institute. He is the author of Defending the
Undefendable
<http://www.mises.org/store/Defending-the-Undefendable-P136C0.aspx?AFID=
14> .

<http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block-arch.html&gt;

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With all respect to Dr. Block, his assessment that Dr. Ruwart’s speeches
were magnificent and Ms. Smith’s appeals were worthwhile suggests that
he attended a different conference than I did, or that — like too many
libertarians — he values intellectual arguments almost exclusively over
emotional ones. I suspect the latter.

I was tearing my hair out all weekend — occasionally literally — over
this tendency. While I *wish* that dispassionate discourse would always
carry the day, if it did, this would still be a libertarian nation. The
ex-conservatives carried the day by being positive and emotionally
appealing. The leading libertarian lights were almost uniformly dull or
hectoring, and that is why the ex-conservatives won. Not because the LP
has been taken over; Smith was booed for being so rude to everyone
present, not for being anti-Barr. Mr. Kubby would have won the VP
nomination, IMO, if his nominators hadn’t insulted the demonstrable
majority of delegates, rather than appealing for their vote. Likewise
Ms. Bennett’s run for LNC chair.

As far as the breakout scheduling: I am pretty sure that is all due to
the convention organizers, and I don’t think they’re conservatives. I
felt bad for all the speakers, while attending almost none of them.

~Chris

Hi Doug,

  Thanks for passing this along, and sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I just got back from Denver yesterday (drove) and am of course still struggling to catch up on email! Sure I would be happy to do an interview; I trust Stacy is no relation to John? You (or she) are welcome to contact me at the numbers below.

  I'd heard I was briefly on VH1, but that they didn't tell viewers the footage was from the LP convention! Weird... You don't happen to know where that segment can be found online, do you?

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