I don't think the petition is going to accomplish much, either. On the other hand, it wouldn't do any good to impeach Bush alone and put Cheney in the White House.
I'd much rather have Cheney than Bush as president myself. But regardless of our personal preferences, if decisions to impeach or not impeach are based on who is likely to assume the office in the event of success, then impeachment efforts will rightly be seen as motivated by politics rather than based on adherence to law or principle. I say get rid of Bush, then give Cheney a chance to violate the Constitution in his own right before starting proceedings to throw him out too. He probably wouldn't make us wait more than a day or two. >8P Then again, this approach does illustrate the type of thinking Rob seemed to be condemning when he said that libertarians are known for lacking political common sense. I'll just take my ethical dilemmas on a case by case basis and let people fault me for inconsistency where they can. 8)
Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>
I don't think the petition is going to accomplish much, either. On the other hand, it wouldn't do any good to impeach Bush alone and put Cheney in the White House.
From: Ronald Getty [mailto:tradergroupe@…]
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:21 PM
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RIPOSTE Re: [lpsf-discuss] Articles of Impeachment ForumDear Michae and Everyone Else;
After reading the proposed Articles of Impeachment the attempt appears to be a big joke. The Articles of Impeachment are way to broad. It tries to impeach Bush - Cheney - Rumsfield - Ashcroft all at the same time.
Each may be individually guilty of various high crimes and misdemeanors. Trying to prove this in a free for all session isn't going to happen. The House Judiciary Committee is not going to come close to having any hearings of any kind now or in the near future on any impeachment proceedings. And try to imagine getting the House to report out Articles of Impeachment on all 4 all at the same time? Let me see that's 21 Republicans versus 17 Democrats. It isn't going to happen. And it's an election year to boot.
See Page 17 and 18 of the PDF file impeachment kit for the Articles Of Impeachment.
http://democrats.com/elandslide/images/impeachcentralkit.pdf
For any success. The group backing this needs to focus - focus - focus. Pick one individual as the most likely suspect. Concentrate on that one for an impeachment process screw everyone else. I recommend starting with Bush - because as Truman once said " The Buck Stops Here". Although Bush doesn't have the faintest idea of what the heck that means. Start with Bush concentrate on Bush focus on Bush. Afterall, he is only a sprig or is it a twig or is it a shrub.
I can hardly wait to hear the results of the Bush/Cheney joint 9/11 Commission hearing. WIll it be like the old Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy ventriloquist act? With Cheny as the mouthpiece and Bush as the dummy?
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian"Acree, Michael" <acreem@...> wrote:
From: Democrats.com Alerts [mailto:activist@…]
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 3:50 PM
To: Acree, Michael
Subject: 4/13 Impeachment ForumPublic Forum: "The Iraq War and The Constitution: Has President George W. Bush Committed Impeachable Offenses?"
John C. Bonifaz, Boston attorney and author of Warrior-King: The Case for Impeaching George W. Bush (NationBooks-NY, January 2004, foreword by Rep. John Conyers, Jr.), and Eva J. Paterson, founder and executive director of the Equal Justice Society and former director of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law for the San Francisco Bay Area, will speak and answer questions at a public forum on the impeachment question on Tuesday night, April 13th at 7:00 pm at the New College Theater, 777 Valencia Street, in San Francisco.
The forum is entitled "The Iraq War and The Constitution: Has President George W. Bush Committed Impeachable Offenses?" and will be moderated by Tobias Barrington Wolff, Visiting Professor of Law, Stanford Law School and Assistant Professor of Law, UC Davis Law School.
Requested donation $5 at the door.
No one turned away for lack of funds.
For advance tickets or more information, call Global Exchange at 415-575-5542.
Proceeds will benefit Global Exchange.The event is co-sponsored by Global Exchange and the Center for Education and Social Action at New College of California. Mr. Bonifaz will be available for a book-signing following the event.
In February and March 2003, Mr. Bonifaz served as lead counsel for a coalition of US soldiers, parents of US soldiers, and Members of Congress (led by Representatives Conyers and Kucinich) in a federal lawsuit challenging the authority of President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld to launch a war against Iraq absent a congressional declaration of war or equivalent action. His book, Warrior-King: The Case for Impeaching George W. Bush (NationBooks-NY, January 2004, foreword by Rep. John Conyers, Jr.), is accounting of that case and its meaning for the United States Constitution.
Mr. Bonifaz is a 1999 recipient of a MacArthur Foundation Fellowship and a 1992 graduate of Harvard Law School. For further information on Warrior-King, including a video interview of Mr. Bonifaz, see www.ireadnet.com.
To purchase a copy of Warrior-King from Democrats.com and support progressive authors, visit:
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Dear Michael and Starchild;
I believe if Bush was impeached Cheney would never get to make it
into office. There's way too much going on with things Cheney was
involved in. There's Cheney at Halliburton and pay offs to Nigeria
for oil. There's the " secret" Energy Commission he led. Where the
Courts have said release the documents on how you got creative with
ENRON. There's his off the books "secret " intelligence gathering
committee which cooked the books for intelligence(?). This is what
was used to give the Bush neocons what they neede to dummy up the
need for an invasion of Iraq. With the non-existent WMD's etc.
Cheney wouldn't even get a chance to get sworn in as president. The
only swearing he would get to do is in court. When he gets to swear
to tell the whole truth and nothing but the whole truth as he is
prosecuted for his chichancery.
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:
I'd much rather have Cheney than Bush as president myself.
But
regardless of our personal preferences, if decisions to impeach or
not
impeach are based on who is likely to assume the office in the
event of
success, then impeachment efforts will rightly be seen as
motivated by
politics rather than based on adherence to law or principle. I say
get
rid of Bush, then give Cheney a chance to violate the Constitution
in
his own right before starting proceedings to throw him out too. He
probably wouldn't make us wait more than a day or two. >8P Then
again, this approach does illustrate the type of thinking Rob
seemed to
be condemning when he said that libertarians are known for lacking
political common sense. I'll just take my ethical dilemmas on a
case by
case basis and let people fault me for inconsistency where they
can. 8)
Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>> I don't think the petition is going to accomplish much, either.
On
> the other hand, it wouldn't do any good to impeach Bush alone
and put
> Cheney in the White House.
>
> From: Ronald Getty [mailto:tradergroupe@y…]
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:21 PM
> To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RIPOSTE Re: [lpsf-discuss] Articles of Impeachment Forum
>
> Dear Michae and Everyone Else;
>
> After reading the proposed Articles of Impeachment the attempt
appears
> to be a big joke. The Articles of Impeachment are way to
broad. It
> tries to impeach Bush - Cheney - Rumsfield - Ashcroft all at the
same
> time.
>
> Each may be individually guilty of various high crimes and
> misdemeanors. Trying to prove this in a free for all
session isn't
> going to happen. The House Judiciary Committee is not going to
come
> close to having any hearings of any kind now or in the near
future on
> any impeachment proceedings. And try to imagine getting the
House to
> report out Articles of Impeachment on all 4 all at the same
time? Let
> me see that's 21 Republicans versus 17 Democrats. It isn't going
to
> happen. And it's an election year to boot.
>
> See Page 17 and 18 of the PDF file impeachment kit for the
Articles Of
> Impeachment.
>
> http://democrats.com/elandslide/images/impeachcentralkit.pdf
>
> For any success. The group backing this needs to focus - focus
> - focus. Pick one individual as the most likely suspect.
Concentrate
> on that one for an impeachment process screw everyone else. I
> recommend starting with Bush - because as Truman once said " The
Buck
> Stops Here". Although Bush doesn't have the faintest idea of
what the
> heck that means. Start with Bush concentrate on Bush focus
on Bush.
> Afterall, he is only a sprig or is it a twig or is it a shrub.
>
> I can hardly wait to hear the results of the Bush/Cheney joint
9/11
> Commission hearing. WIll it be like the old Edgar Bergen and
Charlie
> McCarthy ventriloquist act? With Cheny as the mouthpiece and
Bush as
> the dummy?
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
>
> "Acree, Michael" <acreem@o…> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Democrats.com Alerts [mailto:activist@d…]
> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 3:50 PM
> To: Acree, Michael
> Subject: 4/13 Impeachment Forum
>
>
> Public Forum: "The Iraq War and The Constitution: Has President
George
> W. Bush Committed Impeachable Offenses?"
>
> John C. Bonifaz, Boston attorney and author of Warrior-King: The
Case
> for Impeaching George W. Bush (NationBooks-NY, January 2004,
foreword
> by Rep. John Conyers, Jr.), and Eva J. Paterson, founder and
executive
> director of the Equal Justice Society and former director of the
> Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law for the San
Francisco
> Bay Area, will speak and answer questions at a public forum on
the
> impeachment question on Tuesday night, April 13th at 7:00 pm at
the
> New College Theater, 777 Valencia Street, in San Francisco.
>
> The forum is entitled "The Iraq War and The Constitution: Has
> President George W. Bush Committed Impeachable Offenses?" and
will be
> moderated by Tobias Barrington Wolff, Visiting Professor of Law,
> Stanford Law School and Assistant Professor of Law, UC Davis Law
> School.
>
> Requested donation $5 at the door.
> No one turned away for lack of funds.
> For advance tickets or more information, call Global Exchange at
> 415-575-5542.
> Proceeds will benefit Global Exchange.
>
> The event is co-sponsored by Global Exchange and the Center for
> Education and Social Action at New College of California. Mr.
Bonifaz
> will be available for a book-signing following the event.
>
> In February and March 2003, Mr. Bonifaz served as lead counsel
for a
> coalition of US soldiers, parents of US soldiers, and Members of
> Congress (led by Representatives Conyers and Kucinich) in a
federal
> lawsuit challenging the authority of President Bush and
Secretary
> Rumsfeld to launch a war against Iraq absent a congressional
> declaration of war or equivalent action. His book, Warrior-
King: The
> Case for Impeaching George W. Bush (NationBooks-NY, January
2004,
> foreword by Rep. John Conyers, Jr.), is accounting of that case
and
> its meaning for the United States Constitution.
>
> Mr. Bonifaz is a 1999 recipient of a MacArthur Foundation
Fellowship
> and a 1992 graduate of Harvard Law School. For further
information on
> Warrior-King, including a video interview of Mr. Bonifaz, see
> www.ireadnet.com.
>
> To purchase a copy of Warrior-King from Democrats.com and
support
> progressive authors, visit:
> http://community.democrats.com/store/details.cfm?item=10094
>
> Eva J. Paterson has campaigned for civil rights for more than
three
> decades and is a nationally-recognized civil rights leader. She
has
> received more than 50 awards for her work, including most
recently
> being named an attorney of the year for 2003 by California
Lawyer
> magazine.
>
> Global Exchange http://www.globalexchange.org is an
international
> human rights organization dedicated to promoting environmental,
> political and social justice. Since its founding in 1988,
Global
> Exchange has increased the US public's global awareness while
building
> partnerships worldwide.
>
> To join the grassroots movement to impeach George W. Bush, visit:
> http://impeachcentral.com
> Contributions are welcome!
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>
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