Don't tell me--I was quoting Derek!
Dear Mike;
Okay - Over to you Derek as per the "WAR" thing
Ron Getty
Sf Libertarian
"Acree, Michael" <acreem@...> wrote:
Don't tell me--I was quoting Derek!
Ron:
I knwo of no one quite as adept as you of arguing precise and
legalistic definitions of words. I'll take the bait.
By war, I meant the following: "a state of widespread conflict
between states, organisations, or relatively large groups of people,
which is characterised by the use of lethal violence between
combatants or upon civilians."
-Derek
Dear Derek;
Yes when required to clarify points of order or discussion. If a
word has several meanings to several different peoples toseveral
degrees it is always a good idea to agree on the definition so
everyone can chip in their two cents worth based on a common ground.
Your definiation of war will work but to bad the Bushitas bandy it
about in every context and every case when it does not really apply.
This is esepcially true when trying to define terrorism.
As an example : An Iraqi house or block will get bombed in a village
and innocent people will gewt killed and injured.The people of the
villlage are told you co-operate with us and do not co-operate with
the infidels and this won't happen anymore.
This is a definition of terrorism when you use terrorism tactics to
force a peoples to comply with what you want done.
The above paragraph describes actual documented situations which
happens today right now in Iraq as practiced by the US Military.
Therefore is Bush going to attack the US using US troops to attack
US troops who are practicing terrorism???
The above example also happened in Vietnam when the Govt of Vietnam
tax collectors would come around to the villages and hamlets for
their cut of the rice crop during the day and the Viet Cong tax
collectors would come around at night for their cut of the rice
crop.
The people were caught in the middle and had to pay off both or face
being slaughtered.
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Derek Jensen <derekj72@g...>
wrote:
Ron:
I knwo of no one quite as adept as you of arguing precise and
legalistic definitions of words. I'll take the bait.By war, I meant the following: "a state of widespread conflict
between states, organisations, or relatively large groups of
people,
which is characterised by the use of lethal violence between
combatants or upon civilians."-Derek
> Dear Mike;
>
> Okay - Over to you Derek as per the "WAR" thing
>
> Ron Getty
> Sf Libertarian
>
>
> "Acree, Michael" <acreem@o...> wrote:
>
> Don't tell me--I was quoting Derek!
> ________________________________
> From: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
> Behalf Of Ron Getty
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 2:19 PM
> To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Sheehan
>
>
> Dear Mike;
>
> You used the phrase "in a time of war". Which declared war are
you referring
> to where Congress issued a "State of War Exists between the
government of
> the USA and..."
>
> I have seen no such proclamation lately - have you??? The alst
time was
> issued was The Declaration of War on Japan Germany and Italy.
>
> Secondly, how do you declare "War" on an Ideology such
as "Terrorism" and
> then attack it with technology???
>
> As the French said when they were fighting to retain their
colonial empire
> of Indochine: "The Viet Minh have not read the French Armee
Field Force
> Manual and so do not fight accordingly".
>
> The word " War" is being blatantly used by this Bush Regime to
create
> connations and allusions where none exist of a real "War" to get
the people
> of this country behind their War on Terrorism and the excesses
it is using
> to destroy the US Consitution whenever it gets in the way of
what the
> Bushitas want to do...
>
> This despite the costs to the taxpayers of a catastrophic
national debt and
> the mothers and fathers whose children are being used as a blood
sacrifice
> to a meglomaniacal desire to bring a "Dictatorial Democracy" to
the
> Mid-East at the point of a bayonet.
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> "Acree, Michael" <acreem@o...> wrote:
> When you said, "The issue is not whether Cindy Sheehan has the
right to
> speak but rather whether her diatribes constitute an attack on
her own
> country and community in a time of war," I took that to mean
that you do
> see her diatribes as an attack on her own country and community
in a
> time of war. If that's true, then I don't understand when you
think
> criticism of war is not an attack on the country.
>
> From: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpsf-
> On Behalf Of Derek Jensen
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:11 PM
> To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Sheehan
>
> No, definitely not!
>
> > Derek:
> >
> > Your presumption seems to be that all wars are justified, and
> > therefore that citizens who criticize them are attacking their
own
> > country. Do I have it right?
> >
> > From: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Derek Jensen
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:44 PM
> > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Re: Sheehan
> >
> > Ron:
> >
> > The issue is not whether Cindy Sheehan has the right to speak
but
> > rather whether her diatribes constitute an attack on her own
country
> > and community in a time of war.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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