I know very few people _over_ 18 whom I regard as "fully independent and responsible for their own affairs," and I don't think any such judgment should be a condition of possessing rights. You still seem to be implying that people over 18 have rights that people under 18, as a group, don't. That seems to me simple age discrimination, on a par with race and gender discrimination, and justified by the same paternalism.
Dear Michael;
Ask any parent of a teenager what rights they give their teenagers
if they are living at home and under are 18. How does saying a
teenager under 18 living at home needs to show as Starchild
suggested they that they be fully independent and responsible for
their own affairs before being emancipated twist into race and
gender discrimination???
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Acree, Michael" <acreem@o...>
wrote:
I know very few people _over_ 18 whom I regard as "fully
independent and responsible for their own affairs," and I don't
think any such judgment should be a condition of possessing rights.
You still seem to be implying that people over 18 have rights that
people under 18, as a group, don't. That seems to me simple age
discrimination, on a par with race and gender discrimination, and
justified by the same paternalism.
From: tradergroupe [mailto:tradergroupe@y…]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:59 PM
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: NYTimes.com Article: Op-Ed
Contributor: Jo
ining the Debate but Missing the Point
Dear Michael;
Nope, Starchild said anyone should be allowed to get married at
any
age based on being fully independent and responsible for their own
affairs. As I pointed out how many teenagers do you know who are
in
this capacity??? I also asked everyone to consider what you were
like as a teenager and were you fully independent and responsible
for your own affairs???Nowhere was there any mention of blacks and women NOT being fully
independent and responsible for their own affairs. Nowhere was
there
any mention of Blacks and Women not being human.
Where the heck did you dredge that up from???
The age restriction on teenage marriages is an equal oppportunity
restriction and not based on race,creed,color,sex, sexual
prefernces
etc etc etc etc. And I also said exceptions could apply at anytime.
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Acree, Michael"
<acreem@o...>
wrote:
> Ron:
>
> You seem to be saying that people below a certain age don't
possess the same rights as those above that age, which implies
that,
as was once said of blacks and women, they're not fully human. Am
I
understanding you correctly?
>
> From: Ronald Getty [mailto:tradergroupe@y…]
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:30 PM
> To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Re: NYTimes.com Article: Op-Ed
Contributor: Joining the Debate but Missing the Point
>
>
> Dear Starchild;
>
> Try to define legally independent and responsible for their own
affairs when talking to a teenager. Good Luck! While there are
some
teenagers who are very adult at a young age the majority just
plain
ain't. This is why I believe there should be some minimal age
restriction arbitrary as it is at 18. Exceptions to the rule can
be
applied for at anytime.
>
> A question - not just for Starchild but everyone out there.
>
> If it isn't to painful to think about - what were you like as a
15 - 16 - 17 year old teenager? Anything approaching legally
independent and responsible for your own affairs??? Whoo
Hoo!!!
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> Starchild <sfdreamer@e…> wrote:
>
> Or age, I would say, as long as the individuals involved
are
legally
> independent and responsible for their own affairs.
>
> <<< Starchild >>>
>
>
>
> > From: "Ronald Getty" <tradergroupe@y...>
> >> Any two people 18 years of age or older can get married. I do
not
> > believe there should be any distinction or discrimination or
> > dissension because of sex. <
> >
> > In addition, no prohibition because of number of individuals
wishing
> > to marry, e.g., polygamy.
>
>
>
>
>
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