I'm trying to guess what sort of service "car wash" might be code for.
Probably something similar to checking the oil.....
LOL! I would suggest covering the person with soap and water and using not just one's hands but one's body as a buffer.
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I'm trying to guess what sort of service "car wash" might be code for.
From: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Derek Jensen
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 2:58 PM
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Nevada anti-prositution ordinanceJustices question Southern Nevada anti-prostitution ordinance
Oct 19, 2005, 01:30 PM PDTState Supreme Court justices questioned Wednesday whether high school
cheerleaders trying to flag down motorists for a car wash might run
afoul of a broadly written ordinance targeting pushy Las Vegas-area
prostitutes.Justices Michael Douglas and Ron Parraguirre raised the possibility
during a hearing on an appeal filed by Lani Silvar, charged under the
Clark County ordinance with misdemeanor "loitering for the purpose of
prostitution."While the high court's ruling won't be issued until a later date,
Parraguirre expressed concern that the ordinance is too broad. He says
an arrest would be based on, "essentially a hunch" by an officer that
an illegal act of prostitution might occur.Under the ordinance, police can arrest someone who "repeatedly beckons
to, stops, attempts to stop or engage persons passing by in
conversation, or repeatedly stops or attempts to stop motor vehicle
operators by hailing, waiving of arms or other bodily gestures."Susan Burke, Silvar's lawyer, says that wording criminalizes totally
legal behavior and could lead to the arrest of people going out of
their way to get a date with someone else.Yahoo! Groups Links
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If an adult establishment is characterized by "partial nudity," then I guess that includes just about every place except fumigation sites, NASA test areas, and the "clean rooms" of silicon chip manufacturers. Somebody should alert the attorney general about this rampant explosion of obscenity!
<<< Starchild >>>
Check out this list of zoning ordinances in the Bloomington, MN city code. http://www.ci.bloomington.mn.us/code/Code19_31.html
It includes:
Adult Car Wash - a wash facility for any type of motor vehicle that allows employees, agents, independent contractors, or persons to appear in a state of partial or total nudity in terms of specified anatomical areas as defined herein.
To me, how they narrowly define all these adult establishments is a farce. Trying to regulate against any and all possible expressions of adult sexuality is a fool's errand.
-Derek
LOL\! I would suggest covering the person with soap and water and usingnot just one's hands but one's body as a buffer.
<<< Starchild >>>> I'm trying to guess what sort of service "car wash" might be code for.
>
> From: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Of Derek Jensen
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 2:58 PM
> To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Nevada anti-prositution ordinance
>
> Justices question Southern Nevada anti-prostitution ordinance
> Oct 19, 2005, 01:30 PM PDT
>
> State Supreme Court justices questioned Wednesday whether high school
> cheerleaders trying to flag down motorists for a car wash might run
> afoul of a broadly written ordinance targeting pushy Las Vegas-area
> prostitutes.
>
> Justices Michael Douglas and Ron Parraguirre raised the possibility
> during a hearing on an appeal filed by Lani Silvar, charged under the
> Clark County ordinance with misdemeanor "loitering for the purpose of
> prostitution."
>
> While the high court's ruling won't be issued until a later date,
> Parraguirre expressed concern that the ordinance is too broad. He says
> an arrest would be based on, "essentially a hunch" by an officer that
> an illegal act of prostitution might occur.
>
> Under the ordinance, police can arrest someone who "repeatedly beckons
> to, stops, attempts to stop or engage persons passing by in
> conversation, or repeatedly stops or attempts to stop motor vehicle
> operators by hailing, waiving of arms or other bodily gestures."
>
> Susan Burke, Silvar's lawyer, says that wording criminalizes totally
> legal behavior and could lead to the arrest of people going out of
> their way to get a date with someone else.
>
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Dear Starchild;
An interesting op/ed from a stripper regarding the lap dance
industry and supposed overcharging at SCORES in NYC.
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
Op-Ed Contributor
By ELISABETH EAVES
Published: October 25, 2005
Paris
IT'S happened again. Another innocent man who just wanted a few lap
dances claims to have been victimized by an exclusive New York strip
club, Scores.
This time it's an executive from Missouri named Robert McCormick,
who, treating himself and friends, ran up a $241,000 bill at Scores
on his corporate American Express card two years ago. American
Express is now suing him for refusing to pay up. Several other
unhappy customers have also sued Scores over large bills.
These don't seem to be cases of bill padding. American Express
sought signed receipts from the club before bringing its suit
against Mr. McCormick. In the most recent suit against Scores,
meanwhile, the plaintiff's justification is simply that he was drunk
when he signed his bills.
Nevertheless, the Manhattan district attorney's office is
investigating allegations of overcharging at Scores. To which I say,
as someone who has worked in strip clubs, you've got to be kidding -
there's no such thing as "overcharging" in this industry.
Does Christian Dior "overcharge" when it sells a handbag for
$13,000? That depends on how you look at it. If you see the handbag
as a few pieces of stitched leather, the price is grossly inflated.
If you see it as a source of heady self-worth - a passport to an
exclusive club - then it's hard to say what price would be too high.
This is the economic logic relied on by purveyors of luxury goods.
It's not about the utility of the product. It's about making the
customer feel as if he has arrived.
Strip clubs, particularly high-end ones like Scores, provide a
luxury service. That $3,000 price tag on a bottle of Champagne isn't
just for the beverage; it's part of the price of the experience. Mr.
McCormick probably didn't go to Scores strictly to see topless
women, or even for the physical contact and potential sexual
gratification of a lap dance. Both experiences can be had in
simpler, cheaper ways.
Rather, he and his colleagues probably went because being surrounded
by fawning, semi-naked, Champagne-flute-wielding women was for them
a symbol of success. It's like hiring a chauffeured limousine: a
taxi would get you there, but without the aesthetic experience.
When I worked in a Seattle peep show, I had a customer who told me
his name was Excalibur and quietly slipped me his poetry. Part of my
job, in that moment, was to make him feel like a Knight of the Round
Table. This required only a show of curiosity and respect. He must
have found those things hard to come by in the real world, though,
because he paid me well to help spin the illusion.
With many customers, fawning is key. What a stripper sells is not
her ability to dance or take off her clothes, but her ability to
suspend the customer's disbelief.
If she is doing her job right, his bald spot and his mortgage cease
to exist, and he enters an adolescent fantasy of sexual prowess,
temporarily transformed into James Bond, Han Solo and Hugh Hefner
all rolled into one. The dancers keep cooing and flattering until
the money runs out. It's not duplicitous; it's what the patron signs
up for.
I have little sympathy for these carping customers. Their complaints
are the height of boorishness. It's acceptable to indulge your James
Bond fantasies, but it's not acceptable, when the bill comes due, to
remain convinced that you're James Bond. The dancers weren't in it
for kicks.
Among strippers I worked with, the most dreaded customers were not
the obese or the lame. Rather, we feared customers who thought they
were exceptions to the rule. They were just handsome enough, or
successful enough, to foolishly think that their own sex appeal was
tip enough.
It's just this kind of guy who would backpedal on a strip club bill
and go crying to the courts that he was hustled. Well, sure, the
dancers hustled Mr. McCormick, but no more so than the occasional
Mercedes dealer. Buyer's remorse is not an occasion to stiff the
seller.
So, gentlemen, pay the bill. A reasonably priced lap dance is not a
right.
Elisabeth Eaves is the author of "Bare: The Naked Truth About
Stripping."
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:
If an adult establishment is characterized by "partial
nudity," then I
guess that includes just about every place except fumigation
sites,
NASA test areas, and the "clean rooms" of silicon chip
manufacturers.
Somebody should alert the attorney general about this rampant
explosion
of obscenity!
<<< Starchild >>>
> Check out this list of zoning ordinances in the Bloomington, MN
city
> code. http://www.ci.bloomington.mn.us/code/Code19_31.html
>
> It includes:
>
> Adult Car Wash - a wash facility for any type of motor vehicle
that
> allows employees, agents, independent contractors, or persons to
> appear in a state of partial or total nudity in terms of
specified
> anatomical areas as defined herein.
>
> To me, how they narrowly define all these adult establishments
is a
> farce. Trying to regulate against any and all possible
expressions of
> adult sexuality is a fool's errand.
>
> -Derek
>
>
>
>
> LOL! I would suggest covering the person with soap and
water
> and using
> not just one's hands but one's body as a buffer.
>
> <<< Starchild >>>
>
>
>
> > I'm trying to guess what sort of service "car wash" might be
code
> for.
> >
> > From: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Of Derek Jensen
> > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 2:58 PM
> > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Nevada anti-prositution ordinance
> >
> >
> > Justices question Southern Nevada anti-prostitution ordinance
> > Oct 19, 2005, 01:30 PM PDT
> >
> >
> > State Supreme Court justices questioned Wednesday whether high
school
> > cheerleaders trying to flag down motorists for a car wash
might run
> > afoul of a broadly written ordinance targeting pushy Las Vegas-
area
> > prostitutes.
> >
> > Justices Michael Douglas and Ron Parraguirre raised the
possibility
> > during a hearing on an appeal filed by Lani Silvar, charged
under the
> > Clark County ordinance with misdemeanor "loitering for the
purpose of
> > prostitution."
> >
> > While the high court's ruling won't be issued until a later
date,
> > Parraguirre expressed concern that the ordinance is too broad.
He
> says
> > an arrest would be based on, "essentially a hunch" by an
officer that
> > an illegal act of prostitution might occur.
> >
> > Under the ordinance, police can arrest someone who "repeatedly
> beckons
> > to, stops, attempts to stop or engage persons passing by in
> > conversation, or repeatedly stops or attempts to stop motor
vehicle
> > operators by hailing, waiving of arms or other bodily
gestures."
> >
> > Susan Burke, Silvar's lawyer, says that wording criminalizes
totally
> > legal behavior and could lead to the arrest of people going
out of
> > their way to get a date with someone else.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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