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Good thinking Ron....I put in a request for a name change today.

thanks

Mike

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Dear Mike and All Others;

If you do not think the word Progressive isn't being beaten to death just look at todays front page of the Examiner on the lead story.

             http://www.examiner.com/home/

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

Mike Denny <mike@...> wrote:

Good thinking Ron�.I put in a request for a name change today.

thanks

Mike

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Mike,

  The 7-730pm Wednesday time slot sounds great! I like Ron's idea of co-opting the term "progressive," but "The Progressive Libertarian!" could imply that most Libertarians *aren't* progressive.

  "The Libertarian Alternative" is a great name, in my opinion, but obviously we need a different name if we're doing our own show. Here are a few other ideas:

The Government Zone (Intro to show would be a parody of "The Twilight Zone")
Liberty, For A Change (e.g. "I'm Mike Denny, here with Liberty, For A Change...")
Free The People!
The Progressive Alternative
Voice Of The City
Get Up, Stand Up! (Refers to classic Bob Marley song lyrics, "Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights..." etc.)
Speak Out San Francisco! (This would be good for a street-oriented show, where we go around talking to people about how government negatively impacts their lives)

Yours in liberty,
          <<< Starchild >>>

Dear Mike and All Others;

If you do not think the word Progressive isn't being beaten to death just look at todays front page of the Examiner on the lead story.
http://www.examiner.com/home/

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

Mike Denny <mike@...> wrote:

Good thinking RonÖ.I put in a request for a name change today.

thanks

Mike

From:Ronald Getty[mailto:tradergroupe@…]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:18 AM
To:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] AccessF Channel 29 Time Slots

Dear Mike;

First of all and most importantly - who's the audience? Or at least the prospective audience? Once you identify who the watchers will be or suspect to be then you can come up with a one size fits all name. You also should hope to catch channel surfers.

However, if co-opting other political movements catch words or phrases will help in San Francisco. Try the name:

                     The Progressive Libertarian\!

The word " Progressive " in SF has political connotations well beyond the name progressive and seems to spark a visceral reaction if you are NOT " Progressive ".

I would put the word Progressive first because you have to catch the eye and the brain. Otherwise known as Recticular Activating System type of stuff. Also known as Cognitive Reaction.

Progressive? Libertarian? What's this maybe I should watch it? You have to get the message through the filters to the brain to activate the attention. Also known as Frame of Mind Marketing. What is the person thinking as they see or not see the message or in this case the title to the show?

If using the term brings in viewers who will stay to listen then all the better.

Ron Getty

SF Libertarian

Mike Denny <mike@...> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I got one year of 7-7:30PM on the 2nd and 4th Wednesdays starting July 13th.

I called the show ìThe Libertarian Liberal, representing the classical liberal perspective.î

Does anyone think it might be better to call it, The Libertarian Progressive?

Co-opting the terms used by others seems to be the way these battles are fought out there.

Let me know as I can probably still change it.

Thanks

Mike

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Dear Starchild and Mike;

The word Libertarian needs to be in the title of the show. You have to let people know there is such a thing as a Libertarian. Secondly, are there any statistics available on who or whom the viewers are? Is it mainly an SF audience? Or is it viewed demographically elsewhere?

As far as the title " The Progressive Libertarian! " I don't believe this would imply most Libertarians are not progressive. It's the audiences interpretation that is important. However, the name Libertarian still needs to be highlighted. This is who we are - this is who the sponsors are etc etc etc

Some alternative names could be:

Equality and the Libertarian The Libertarian and Personal Freedom

The Libertarian Heritage The Laissez-Faire Libertarian The Libertarian Way

The Libertarian Future The Libertarian Revolution

Or to be very simple: The San Francisco Libertarian

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

Starchild <sfdreamer@...> wrote:
Mike,

The 7-730pm Wednesday time slot sounds great! I like Ron's idea of
co-opting the term "progressive," but "The Progressive Libertarian!"
could imply that most Libertarians *aren't* progressive.

"The Libertarian Alternative" is a great name, in my opinion, but
obviously we need a different name if we're doing our own show. Here
are a few other ideas:

The Government Zone (Intro to show would be a parody of "The Twilight
Zone")
Liberty, For A Change (e.g. "I'm Mike Denny, here with Liberty, For A
Change...")
Free The People!
The Progressive Alternative
Voice Of The City
Get Up, Stand Up! (Refers to classic Bob Marley song lyrics, "Get up,
stand up, stand up for your rights..." etc.)
Speak Out San Francisco! (This would be good for a street-oriented
show, where we go around talking to people about how government
negatively impacts their lives)

Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>

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Ron,

  I don't agree that the word "Libertarian" has to be part of the title for it to be effective. We could always say something about it being libertarian in a subtitle, or the show's description. We will obviously be letting our hardcore audience (activists/members/reg-libs) know it's a Libertarian show anyway, and the average San Franciscan might be more likely to tune in if the word "Libertarian" *isn't* part of the title. On the other hand, "The Libertarian Revolution" wouldn't make a bad choice, imho. Most of the others you list below sound a bit dry to me.

Yours in liberty,

        <<< Starchild >>>

Dear Starchild and Mike;

The word Libertarian needs to be in the title of the show. You have to let people know there is such a thing as a Libertarian. Secondly, are there any statistics available on who or whom the viewers are? Is it mainly an SF audience? Or is it viewed demographically elsewhere?

As far as the title " The Progressive Libertarian! " I don't believe this would imply most Libertarians are not progressive. It's the audiences interpretation that is important. However, the name Libertarian still needs to be highlighted. This is who we are - this is who the sponsors are etc etc etc

Some alternative names could be:

Equality and the Libertarian The Libertarian and Personal Freedom

The Libertarian Heritage The Laissez-Faire Libertarian The Libertarian Way

The Libertarian Future The Libertarian Revolution

Or to be very simple: The San Francisco Libertarian

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

Mike,

The 7-730pm Wednesday time slot sounds great! I like Ron's idea of
co-opting the term "progressive," but "The Progressive Libertarian!"
could imply that most Libertarians *aren't* progressive.

"The Libertarian Alternative" is a great name, in my opinion, but
obviously we need a different name if we're doing our own show. Here
are a few other ideas:

The Government Zone (Intro to show would be a parody of "The Twilight
Zone")
Liberty, For A Change (e.g. "I'm Mike Denny, here with Liberty, For A
Change...")
Free The People!
The Progressive Alternative
Voice Of The City
Get Up, Stand Up! (Refers to classic Bob Marley song lyrics, "Get up,
stand up, stand up for your rights..." etc.)
Speak Out San Francisco! (This would be good for a street-oriented
show, where we go around talking to people about how government
negatively impacts their lives)

Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>

> Dear Mike and All Others;
>
> If you do not think the word Progressive isn't being beaten to death
> just look at todays front page of the Examiner on the lead story.
> http://www.examiner.com/home/
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
>
> Mike Denny wrote:
>
> Good thinking Ron÷.I put in a request for a name change today.
>
>
>
> thanks
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> From:Ronald Getty[mailto:tradergroupe@…]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:18 AM
> To:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] AccessF Channel 29 Time Slots
>
>
>
> Dear Mike;
>
>
>
> First of all and most importantly - who's the audience? Or at least
> the prospective audience? Once you identify who the watchers will be
> or suspect to be then you can come up with a one size fits all name.
> You also should hope to catch channel surfers.
>
>
>
> However, if co-opting other political movements catch words or phrases
> will help in San Francisco. Try the name:
>
>
>
> The Progressive Libertarian!
>
>
>
> The word " Progressive " in SF has political connotations well beyond
> the name progressive and seems to spark a visceral reaction if you are
> NOT " Progressive ".
>
>
>
> I would put the word Progressive first because you have to catch the
> eye and the brain. Otherwise known as Recticular Activating System
> type of stuff. Also known as Cognitive Reaction.
>
>
>
> Progressive? Libertarian? What's this maybe I should watch it? You
> have to get the message through the filters to the brain to activate
> the attention. Also known as Frame of Mind Marketing. What is the
> person thinking as they see or not see the message or in this case the
> title to the show?
>
>
>
> If using the term brings in viewers who will stay to listen then all
> the better.
>
>
>
> Ron Getty
>
> SF Libertarian
>
> Mike Denny wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> I got one year of 7-7:30PM on the 2nd and 4th Wednesdays starting July
> 13th.
>
>
>
> I called the show ÏThe Libertarian Liberal, representing the classical
> liberal perspective.Ó
>
>
>
> Does anyone think it might be better to call it, The Libertarian
> Progressive?
>
>
>
> Co-opting the terms used by others seems to be the way these battles
> are fought out there.
>
>
>
> Let me know as I can probably still change it.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>

>

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Dear Starchild;

To really get an eclectic audience we could always try: Zen and the Libertarian Way. I can already feel my innerself and its soul responding. ( Okay It's a joke )

" The Libertarian Revolution " could work.

Or a main title and subtitle of:

                             The Progressive Revolution
                            Libertarians Leading The Way

This would be superimposed over the new Libertarian Logo of the Statue of Liberty over the Golden Gate Bridge but without the Libertarian name in bold alongside

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

Starchild <sfdreamer@...> wrote:
Ron,

I don't agree that the word "Libertarian" has to be part of the title
for it to be effective. We could always say something about it being
libertarian in a subtitle, or the show's description. We will obviously
be letting our hardcore audience (activists/members/reg-libs) know it's
a Libertarian show anyway, and the average San Franciscan might be more
likely to tune in if the word "Libertarian" *isn't* part of the title.
On the other hand, "The Libertarian Revolution" wouldn't make a bad
choice, imho. Most of the others you list below sound a bit dry to me.

Yours in liberty,

<<< Starchild >>>