Re: [F.U.N.] A F.U.N. booth at Folsom Street Fair

Discussion
1

Hi Casey,

Thanks for your message, good to hear from you. Considering that most of the people to whom I give cards never follow up, your effort is above average! Can list subscribers post to your email list? If so, I’d be happy to join.

I’m copying a couple of the body freedom activists in our group on this email, and copying our local email discussion list which you, Rusty, or others are also welcome to join and post (just send an email to lpsf-discuss@forum.lpsf.org mailto:lpsf-discuss@forum.lpsf.org and follow the instructions), in case they or others have any input.

I would encourage you to never say there’s no hope. There always is, and we can change people’s minds. If there are any particular ideas or efforts afoot, we’re interested in hearing about them. I personally like the idea of tackling the myth that seeing nudity (or sex) is harmful to children head-on. Maybe a protest, debate, panel or something on this specific issue? Anyway, thanks for keeping up the struggle!

Would your group be willing to promote the Libertarian Party at your Folsom Street Fair booth as the only party (to my knowledge, please correct me if I’m mistaken) championing the unconditional right to be nude in public?

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))
Chair, Libertarian Party of San Francisco
(415) 573-7997

···

On Aug 24, 2025, at 4:47 AM, Generic Name caseywho1@aol.com wrote:

Hello Starchild,

I intended to give you our contact information right after we chatted at the SF Pride Festival. You stopped by our nudist/body freedom booth and we discussed collaboration around body freedom. I was cleaning out my wallet, found your card, and remembered our conversation. My follow-up leaves something to be desired, to say the least.

You can join our e-mail list by sending an e-mail to fans-of-urban-nudism+subscribe@googlegroups.com

Rusty is the main organizer of the effort to overturn Weiner’s law in San Francisco. (Yes, I realize we have no hope. If anything, society is becoming even more prudish.)

Casey (caseywho1@aol.com)

Rusty (rusty94114@gmail.com)

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: rusty94114 rusty94114@gmail.com
To: Fans of Urban Nudism fans-of-urban-nudism@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2025 at 07:09:57 AM PDT
Subject: [F.U.N.] A F.U.N. booth at Folsom Street Fair

Our application for a booth space at this year’s Folsom Street Fair has been approved by the event organizers, Eventeny. The Fair runs for 7 hours (11:00AM to 6:00PM on Sunday September 28 2025. We will announce the location of the F.U.N. booth here in this forum as soon as we receive the information from Eventeny — probably just a few days before the event itself.

The F.U.N. booth offers a place to relax with naked people, and enjoy exploring body freedom. There will be a big rug, a table, chairs, and cushions to sit or lie on. You can stash your clothes at the booth while you walk around the Fair showing other people what you enjoy doing. Don't be surprised if they want to help you do it.

~Rusty

–
Give in to your desire for liberty and throw off the shackles of body-shame!

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How do you feel the costs of trying to re-legalize nudity exceed the benefits, Casey? What costs do you have in mind, and how might they be avoided? How do you envision nudity becoming “part of the conversation in a good way”, or what kind of dramatic change in approach do you believe would be effective?

Resistance to oppression always carries some risk of violence (government being fundamentally based on violence), but of course that risk varies according to what tactics are used to resist, and how much they threaten or arouse the ire of those who want to maintain the oppression. The decision of how much personal risk is acceptable to take on should be left to each individual activist; how much risk is wise or acceptable in terms of group strategy is a more complicated question. But if the possibility that there could be violence is allowed to deter dissent, this encourages the use of intimidation as an effective weapon to keep people in line. Your thoughts?

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

···

On Aug 29, 2025, at 9:02 PM, Generic Name caseywho1@aol.com wrote:

Hi Starchild,

Let me loop Rusty into this conversation, because he’s organizing the Folsom Street Booth. It would be his decision, so let me turn this conversation over to him. . .

I agree with you that it may be possible to change people’s minds. But there is no hope to re-legalize nudity in San Francisco, unless we dramatically change our approach and become part of the conversation in a good way. I honestly think that the cost of the effort to legalize nudity exceeds the benefit. It’s the sort of issue that brings vigilantes out, and you never know when they could get violent.

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Starchild sfdreamer@earthlink.net
To: Generic Name caseywho1@aol.com
Cc: Starchild sfdreamer@earthlink.net; LPSF Discussion List lpsf-discuss@forum.lpsf.org; Jeff Yunes jeff@yunes.us; Martin Moulton mrmoultonlp@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2025 at 07:07:57 PM PDT
Subject: Re: [F.U.N.] A F.U.N. booth at Folsom Street Fair

Hi Casey,

Thanks for your message, good to hear from you. Considering that most of the people to whom I give cards never follow up, your effort is above average! Can list subscribers post to your email list? If so, I’d be happy to join.

I’m copying a couple of the body freedom activists in our group on this email, and copying our local email discussion list which you, Rusty, or others are also welcome to join and post (just send an email to lpsf-discuss@forum.lpsf.org mailto:lpsf-discuss@forum.lpsf.org and follow the instructions), in case they or others have any input.

I would encourage you to never say there’s no hope. There always is, and we can change people’s minds. If there are any particular ideas or efforts afoot, we’re interested in hearing about them. I personally like the idea of tackling the myth that seeing nudity (or sex) is harmful to children head-on. Maybe a protest, debate, panel or something on this specific issue? Anyway, thanks for keeping up the struggle!

Would your group be willing to promote the Libertarian Party at your Folsom Street Fair booth as the only party (to my knowledge, please correct me if I’m mistaken) championing the unconditional right to be nude in public?

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))
Chair, Libertarian Party of San Francisco
(415) 573-7997

On Aug 24, 2025, at 4:47 AM, Generic Name caseywho1@aol.com wrote:

Hello Starchild,

I intended to give you our contact information right after we chatted at the SF Pride Festival. You stopped by our nudist/body freedom booth and we discussed collaboration around body freedom. I was cleaning out my wallet, found your card, and remembered our conversation. My follow-up leaves something to be desired, to say the least.

You can join our e-mail list by sending an e-mail to fans-of-urban-nudism+subscribe@googlegroups.com

Rusty is the main organizer of the effort to overturn Weiner’s law in San Francisco. (Yes, I realize we have no hope. If anything, society is becoming even more prudish.)

Casey (caseywho1@aol.com)

Rusty (rusty94114@gmail.com)

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: rusty94114 rusty94114@gmail.com
To: Fans of Urban Nudism fans-of-urban-nudism@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2025 at 07:09:57 AM PDT
Subject: [F.U.N.] A F.U.N. booth at Folsom Street Fair

Our application for a booth space at this year’s Folsom Street Fair has been approved by the event organizers, Eventeny. The Fair runs for 7 hours (11:00AM to 6:00PM on Sunday September 28 2025. We will announce the location of the F.U.N. booth here in this forum as soon as we receive the information from Eventeny — probably just a few days before the event itself.

The F.U.N. booth offers a place to relax with naked people, and enjoy exploring body freedom. There will be a big rug, a table, chairs, and cushions to sit or lie on. You can stash your clothes at the booth while you walk around the Fair showing other people what you enjoy doing. Don't be surprised if they want to help you do it.

~Rusty

–
Give in to your desire for liberty and throw off the shackles of body-shame!

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Thank you for including me in the conversation.
The subject of taboos against nudity and erotic behavior has been in my
mind for many years. And I admit to having rather strong opinions about
them.
As a new member of this conversation, I’ll write a short summary of how
I think we should approach the effort to change prudish attitudes about
nudity and eroticism, and send it to this group.
~Rusty Mills
Fans of Urban Nudism

···

On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 2:27 AM Starchild sfdreamer@earthlink.net wrote:

How do you feel the costs of trying to re-legalize nudity exceed the
benefits, Casey? What costs do you have in mind, and how might they be
avoided? How do you envision nudity becoming “part of the conversation in a
*good *way”, or what kind of dramatic change in approach do you believe
would be effective?

Resistance to oppression always carries *some *risk of violence
(government being fundamentally based on violence), but of course that risk
varies according to what tactics are used to resist, and how much they
threaten or arouse the ire of those who want to maintain the oppression.
The decision of how much personal risk is acceptable to take on should be
left to each individual activist; how much risk is wise or acceptable in
terms of group strategy is a more complicated question. But if the
possibility that there could be violence is allowed to deter dissent, this
encourages the use of intimidation as an effective weapon to keep people in
line. Your thoughts?

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

On Aug 29, 2025, at 9:02 PM, Generic Name caseywho1@aol.com wrote:

Hi Starchild,

Let me loop Rusty into this conversation, because he’s organizing the
Folsom Street Booth. It would be his decision, so let me turn this
conversation over to him. . .

I agree with you that it may be possible to change people’s minds. But
there is no hope to re-legalize nudity in San Francisco, unless we
dramatically change our approach and become part of the conversation in a
good way. I honestly think that the cost of the effort to legalize
nudity exceeds the benefit. It’s the sort of issue that brings vigilantes
out, and you never know when they could get violent.

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Starchild sfdreamer@earthlink.net
To: Generic Name caseywho1@aol.com
Cc: Starchild sfdreamer@earthlink.net; LPSF Discussion List <
lpsf-discuss@forum.lpsf.org>; Jeff Yunes jeff@yunes.us; Martin Moulton <
mrmoultonlp@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2025 at 07:07:57 PM PDT
Subject: Re: [F.U.N.] A F.U.N. booth at Folsom Street Fair

Hi Casey,

Thanks for your message, good to hear from you. Considering that most of
the people to whom I give cards *never *follow up, your effort is above
average! Can list subscribers post to your email list? If so, I’d be happy
to join.

I’m copying a couple of the body freedom activists in our group on this
email, and copying our local email discussion list which you, Rusty, or
others are also welcome to join and post (just send an email to
lpsf-discuss@forum.lpsf.org and follow the instructions), in case they or
others have any input.

I would encourage you to never say there’s no hope. There always is, and
we *can *change people’s minds. If there are any particular ideas or
efforts afoot, we’re interested in hearing about them. I personally like
the idea of tackling the myth that seeing nudity (or sex) is harmful to
children head-on. Maybe a protest, debate, panel or something on this
specific issue? Anyway, thanks for keeping up the struggle!

Would your group be willing to promote the Libertarian Party at your
Folsom Street Fair booth as the only party (to my knowledge, please correct
me if I’m mistaken) championing the unconditional right to be nude in
public?

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))
Chair, Libertarian Party of San Francisco
(415) 573-7997

On Aug 24, 2025, at 4:47 AM, Generic Name caseywho1@aol.com wrote:

Hello Starchild,

I intended to give you our contact information right after we chatted at
the SF Pride Festival. You stopped by our nudist/body freedom booth and we
discussed collaboration around body freedom. I was cleaning out my wallet,
found your card, and remembered our conversation. My follow-up leaves
something to be desired, to say the least.

You can join our e-mail list by sending an e-mail to
fans-of-urban-nudism+subscribe@googlegroups.com

Rusty is the main organizer of the effort to overturn Weiner’s law in San
Francisco. (Yes, I realize we have no hope. If anything, society is
becoming even more prudish.)

Casey (caseywho1@aol.com)

Rusty (rusty94114@gmail.com)

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: rusty94114 rusty94114@gmail.com
To: Fans of Urban Nudism fans-of-urban-nudism@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2025 at 07:09:57 AM PDT
Subject: [F.U.N.] A F.U.N. booth at Folsom Street Fair

Our application for a booth space at this year’s Folsom Street Fair has
been approved by the event organizers, Eventeny. The Fair runs for 7 hours
(11:00AM to 6:00PM on Sunday September 28 2025. We will announce the
location of the F.U.N. booth here in this forum as soon as we receive the
information from Eventeny — probably just a few days before the event
itself.

The F.U.N. booth offers a place to relax with naked people, and enjoy

exploring body freedom. There will be a big rug, a table, chairs, and
cushions to sit or lie on. You can stash your clothes at the booth while
you walk around the Fair showing other people what you enjoy doing. Don’t
be surprised if they want to help you do it.

~Rusty

–
Give in to your desire for liberty and throw off the shackles of
body-shame!

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Cool Rusty, I look forward to hearing your thoughts on how we can change the prudish attitudes that lead to people being unjustly criminalized.

Also on my suggestion of letting people know at FUN’s Folsom Street Fair booth that the Libertarian Party is the only U.S. party to champion the unconditional right to be nude in public, unless this is incorrect (since Casey said you’re the decision-maker on this).

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

···

On Sep 2, 2025, at 11:53 AM, Russell Mills rusty94114@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you for including me in the conversation.
The subject of taboos against nudity and erotic behavior has been in my mind for many years. And I admit to having rather strong opinions about them.
As a new member of this conversation, I’ll write a short summary of how I think we should approach the effort to change prudish attitudes about nudity and eroticism, and send it to this group.
~Rusty Mills
Fans of Urban Nudism

On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 2:27 AM Starchild <sfdreamer@earthlink.net mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net> wrote:

How do you feel the costs of trying to re-legalize nudity exceed the benefits, Casey? What costs do you have in mind, and how might they be avoided? How do you envision nudity becoming “part of the conversation in a good way”, or what kind of dramatic change in approach do you believe would be effective?

Resistance to oppression always carries some risk of violence (government being fundamentally based on violence), but of course that risk varies according to what tactics are used to resist, and how much they threaten or arouse the ire of those who want to maintain the oppression. The decision of how much personal risk is acceptable to take on should be left to each individual activist; how much risk is wise or acceptable in terms of group strategy is a more complicated question. But if the possibility that there could be violence is allowed to deter dissent, this encourages the use of intimidation as an effective weapon to keep people in line. Your thoughts?

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

On Aug 29, 2025, at 9:02 PM, Generic Name <caseywho1@aol.com mailto:caseywho1@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Starchild,

Let me loop Rusty into this conversation, because he’s organizing the Folsom Street Booth. It would be his decision, so let me turn this conversation over to him. . .

I agree with you that it may be possible to change people’s minds. But there is no hope to re-legalize nudity in San Francisco, unless we dramatically change our approach and become part of the conversation in a good way. I honestly think that the cost of the effort to legalize nudity exceeds the benefit. It’s the sort of issue that brings vigilantes out, and you never know when they could get violent.

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Starchild <sfdreamer@earthlink.net mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net>
To: Generic Name <caseywho1@aol.com mailto:caseywho1@aol.com>
Cc: Starchild <sfdreamer@earthlink.net mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net>; LPSF Discussion List <lpsf-discuss@forum.lpsf.org mailto:lpsf-discuss@forum.lpsf.org>; Jeff Yunes <jeff@yunes.us mailto:jeff@yunes.us>; Martin Moulton <mrmoultonlp@gmail.com mailto:mrmoultonlp@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2025 at 07:07:57 PM PDT
Subject: Re: [F.U.N.] A F.U.N. booth at Folsom Street Fair

Hi Casey,

Thanks for your message, good to hear from you. Considering that most of the people to whom I give cards never follow up, your effort is above average! Can list subscribers post to your email list? If so, I’d be happy to join.

I’m copying a couple of the body freedom activists in our group on this email, and copying our local email discussion list which you, Rusty, or others are also welcome to join and post (just send an email to lpsf-discuss@forum.lpsf.org mailto:lpsf-discuss@forum.lpsf.org and follow the instructions), in case they or others have any input.

I would encourage you to never say there’s no hope. There always is, and we can change people’s minds. If there are any particular ideas or efforts afoot, we’re interested in hearing about them. I personally like the idea of tackling the myth that seeing nudity (or sex) is harmful to children head-on. Maybe a protest, debate, panel or something on this specific issue? Anyway, thanks for keeping up the struggle!

Would your group be willing to promote the Libertarian Party at your Folsom Street Fair booth as the only party (to my knowledge, please correct me if I’m mistaken) championing the unconditional right to be nude in public?

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))
Chair, Libertarian Party of San Francisco
(415) 573-7997

On Aug 24, 2025, at 4:47 AM, Generic Name <caseywho1@aol.com mailto:caseywho1@aol.com> wrote:

Hello Starchild,

I intended to give you our contact information right after we chatted at the SF Pride Festival. You stopped by our nudist/body freedom booth and we discussed collaboration around body freedom. I was cleaning out my wallet, found your card, and remembered our conversation. My follow-up leaves something to be desired, to say the least.

You can join our e-mail list by sending an e-mail to fans-of-urban-nudism+subscribe@googlegroups.com mailto:fans-of-urban-nudism%2Bsubscribe@googlegroups.com

Rusty is the main organizer of the effort to overturn Weiner’s law in San Francisco. (Yes, I realize we have no hope. If anything, society is becoming even more prudish.)

Casey (caseywho1@aol.com mailto:caseywho1@aol.com)

Rusty (rusty94114@gmail.com mailto:rusty94114@gmail.com)

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: rusty94114 <rusty94114@gmail.com mailto:rusty94114@gmail.com>
To: Fans of Urban Nudism <fans-of-urban-nudism@googlegroups.com mailto:fans-of-urban-nudism@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2025 at 07:09:57 AM PDT
Subject: [F.U.N.] A F.U.N. booth at Folsom Street Fair

Our application for a booth space at this year’s Folsom Street Fair has been approved by the event organizers, Eventeny. The Fair runs for 7 hours (11:00AM to 6:00PM on Sunday September 28 2025. We will announce the location of the F.U.N. booth here in this forum as soon as we receive the information from Eventeny — probably just a few days before the event itself.

The F.U.N. booth offers a place to relax with naked people, and enjoy exploring body freedom. There will be a big rug, a table, chairs, and cushions to sit or lie on. You can stash your clothes at the booth while you walk around the Fair showing other people what you enjoy doing. Don't be surprised if they want to help you do it.

~Rusty

–
Give in to your desire for liberty and throw off the shackles of body-shame!

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