protestors

dej72 · March 28, 2006, 1:20am

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Starchild · March 28, 2006, 3:01am

Derek,

I couldn't agree more. And it's not just a tactical error, but a moral one. Nationalism is nationalism.

<<< starchild >>>

dej72 · March 28, 2006, 3:02am

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tradergroupe · March 28, 2006, 3:53am

Dear Derek;

In that context would you prefer that they had marched under a
United Farm Workers flag?

Although marching under the Mexican Flag may have been a strategic
error the land in California on which they were marching was once
part of Mexico. It got taken away as a result of the fraudently
concocted Mexican War. In some respects it was a big a fraud as the
War on Iraq. In actually it was nothing more than a land grab.

Strangely enough in this war Lincoln was against the Mexican War and
the Invasion.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:

My point was more that they should be trying to win the hearts

and minds of

American citizens, not further alienating themselves. They should

be using

symbols that demonstrate that they are already woven into the

fabric of

American society.

>
> Derek,
>
> I couldn't agree more. And it's not just a tactical

error, but a

> moral
> one. Nationalism is nationalism.
>
> <<< starchild >>>
>
>
>
> > The protestors are making a tactical error in using the

Mexican flag

dej72 · March 28, 2006, 4:05am

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Starchild · March 28, 2006, 4:18am

I understand what you are getting at. They should be sporting more name-brand fashions.

<<< starchild >>>

My point was more that they should be trying to win the hearts and minds of American citizens, not further alienating themselves. They should be using symbols that demonstrate that they are already woven into the fabric of American society.

Derek,
   I couldn&#39;t agree more\. And it&#39;s not just a tactical error, but a moral
one. Nationalism is nationalism.
           &lt;&lt;&lt; starchild &gt;&gt;&gt;
> The protestors are making a tactical error in using the Mexican flag
> as a symbol.

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tradergroupe · March 28, 2006, 4:23am

Dear Derek;

The support is not Americans it's Congress and specifically the
Senate.

Read this article for what they have wrought in Committee:

http://www.forbes.com/business/energy/feeds/ap/2006/03/27/ap2625712.h
tml

You may have to cut and paste if url gets broken up.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:

United Farm Workers flag would have been smarter. The best choice

would

have been an American flag.

The Mexican flag is antagonizing the people whose support they

should be

currying - Americans.

>
> Dear Derek;
>
> In that context would you prefer that they had marched under a
> United Farm Workers flag?
>
> Although marching under the Mexican Flag may have been a

strategic

> error the land in California on which they were marching was

once

> part of Mexico. It got taken away as a result of the fraudently
> concocted Mexican War. In some respects it was a big a fraud as

the

> War on Iraq. In actually it was nothing more than a land grab.
>
> Strangely enough in this war Lincoln was against the Mexican War

and

> the Invasion.
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@>
> wrote:
> >
> > My point was more that they should be trying to win the hearts
> and minds of
> > American citizens, not further alienating themselves. They

should

dej72 · March 28, 2006, 4:29am

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tradergroupe · March 28, 2006, 4:41am

Dear Derek;

Lost or not if the Mexicanos leave who's gonna swamp out them mens
and ladies rooms and sweep up floors and dump waste baskets and pick
harvests?

If everyone was so really concerned about "the jobs" Mexicans were
taking from good old red-blooded Americans there wouldn't be anyone
on unemployemnt and there would be absolutely no need for the
Mexican workers legal or illegal.

The unemployemnt rules should be changed to read : able to accept
any job physically capable of handling. If you don't accept then
immediate cut off of un-employment.

Then watch how quickly people change their tunes about
Immigraciones - legal or illegal.

Immigraciones Documentados Senor?

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:

It's obvious my point is lost on you. I give up.

>
> Dear Derek;
>
> The support is not Americans it's Congress and specifically the
> Senate.
>
> Read this article for what they have wrought in Committee:
>
>

http://www.forbes.com/business/energy/feeds/ap/2006/03/27/ap2625712.h

> tml
>
> You may have to cut and paste if url gets broken up.
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@>
> wrote:
> >
> > United Farm Workers flag would have been smarter. The best

choice

> would
> > have been an American flag.
> >
> > The Mexican flag is antagonizing the people whose support they
> should be
> > currying - Americans.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Dear Derek;
> > >
> > > In that context would you prefer that they had marched under

a

> > > United Farm Workers flag?
> > >
> > > Although marching under the Mexican Flag may have been a
> strategic
> > > error the land in California on which they were marching was
> once
> > > part of Mexico. It got taken away as a result of the

fraudently

> > > concocted Mexican War. In some respects it was a big a fraud

as

> the
> > > War on Iraq. In actually it was nothing more than a land

grab.

> > >
> > > Strangely enough in this war Lincoln was against the Mexican

War

> and
> > > the Invasion.
> > >
> > > Ron Getty
> > > SF Libertarian
> > >
> > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen"

<derekj72@>

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My point was more that they should be trying to win the

hearts

> > > and minds of
> > > > American citizens, not further alienating themselves. They
> should
> > > be using
> > > > symbols that demonstrate that they are already woven into

the

> > > fabric of
> > > > American society.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Derek,
> > > > >
> > > > > I couldn't agree more. And it's not just a

tactical

dej72 · March 28, 2006, 4:46am

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tradergroupe · March 28, 2006, 4:56am

Dear Derek;

Rule of Law? Unfortunately, Bush and his minions do not believe in
such thangs and their actions speak louder than their words when it
comes to anything even remotely for what passes as Rule Of Law.

For Bush and his Bushtapo the laws just get in their way as little
bitty speed bumps and are ignored by them in the main.

When was the last time you ever heard or read about Bush and the
Bushtapo obeying a law - if it wasn't contrary to what they wanted
to do???

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:

OK. I agree with everything you've written here. My sympathies

are with the

protestors. But we also need to have rule of law in this country.

>
> Dear Derek;
>
> Lost or not if the Mexicanos leave who's gonna swamp out them

mens

> and ladies rooms and sweep up floors and dump waste baskets and

pick

> harvests?
>
> If everyone was so really concerned about "the jobs" Mexicans

were

> taking from good old red-blooded Americans there wouldn't be

anyone

> on unemployemnt and there would be absolutely no need for the
> Mexican workers legal or illegal.
>
> The unemployemnt rules should be changed to read : able to accept
> any job physically capable of handling. If you don't accept then
> immediate cut off of un-employment.
>
> Then watch how quickly people change their tunes about
> Immigraciones - legal or illegal.
>
> Immigraciones Documentados Senor?
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@>
> wrote:
> >
> > It's obvious my point is lost on you. I give up.
> >
> > >
> > > Dear Derek;
> > >
> > > The support is not Americans it's Congress and specifically

the

> > > Senate.
> > >
> > > Read this article for what they have wrought in Committee:
> > >
> > >
>

http://www.forbes.com/business/energy/feeds/ap/2006/03/27/ap2625712.h

> > > tml
> > >
> > > You may have to cut and paste if url gets broken up.
> > >
> > > Ron Getty
> > > SF Libertarian
> > >
> > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen"

<derekj72@>

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > United Farm Workers flag would have been smarter. The best
> choice
> > > would
> > > > have been an American flag.
> > > >
> > > > The Mexican flag is antagonizing the people whose support

they

> > > should be
> > > > currying - Americans.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Derek;
> > > > >
> > > > > In that context would you prefer that they had marched

under

> a
> > > > > United Farm Workers flag?
> > > > >
> > > > > Although marching under the Mexican Flag may have been a
> > > strategic
> > > > > error the land in California on which they were

marching was

> > > once
> > > > > part of Mexico. It got taken away as a result of the
> fraudently
> > > > > concocted Mexican War. In some respects it was a big a

fraud

> as
> > > the
> > > > > War on Iraq. In actually it was nothing more than a land
> grab.
> > > > >
> > > > > Strangely enough in this war Lincoln was against the

Mexican

> War
> > > and
> > > > > the Invasion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron Getty
> > > > > SF Libertarian
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen"
> <derekj72@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My point was more that they should be trying to win

the

> hearts
> > > > > and minds of
> > > > > > American citizens, not further alienating themselves.

They

> > > should
> > > > > be using
> > > > > > symbols that demonstrate that they are already woven

into

> the
> > > > > fabric of
> > > > > > American society.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Derek,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I couldn't agree more. And it's not just a
> tactical
> > > > > error, but a
> > > > > > > moral
> > > > > > > one. Nationalism is nationalism.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <<< starchild >>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The protestors are making a tactical error in

using the

stevedekorte · March 28, 2006, 7:55am

I agree and had a similar opinion of the palestinian flags that got waved around at the anti-war protests I participated in.

-- Steve

tradergroupe · March 29, 2006, 2:16am

Dear Derek:)

Sorry I didn't recognize you outside 101 California tonight.

I was thrown by the black beret - the Che icon t-shirt - the red
kerchief concealing half your face and the flags you were carrying
PLO - UFW - AFL/CIO.

All the while leading that mass demonstration and shouting through
your bull horn - Freedom Now - No More Taxes - Freedom Now - No More
Taxes.

You really got that crowd worked up and if it hadn't been for the
SFPD-SWAT team I'm certain you could've finished un-furling that
roof to sidewalk banner on the outside of 101 California. The
message was really clear and I wish more people could've seen it:

Death To Taxes!!! Free the Taxpayers!!!!! Death To Taxes!!!

I would've stayed to help but had to rush to catch my express bus or
ended up waiting a real long time for the next one or ended getting
swept up in the mass arrests.

Have you made bail yet???

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

P.S. Why are they called Express Buses - when they ain't???

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:

OK. I agree with everything you've written here. My sympathies

are with the

protestors. But we also need to have rule of law in this country.

>
> Dear Derek;
>
> Lost or not if the Mexicanos leave who's gonna swamp out them

mens

> and ladies rooms and sweep up floors and dump waste baskets and

pick

> harvests?
>
> If everyone was so really concerned about "the jobs" Mexicans

were

> taking from good old red-blooded Americans there wouldn't be

anyone

> on unemployemnt and there would be absolutely no need for the
> Mexican workers legal or illegal.
>
> The unemployemnt rules should be changed to read : able to accept
> any job physically capable of handling. If you don't accept then
> immediate cut off of un-employment.
>
> Then watch how quickly people change their tunes about
> Immigraciones - legal or illegal.
>
> Immigraciones Documentados Senor?
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@>
> wrote:
> >
> > It's obvious my point is lost on you. I give up.
> >
> > >
> > > Dear Derek;
> > >
> > > The support is not Americans it's Congress and specifically

the

> > > Senate.
> > >
> > > Read this article for what they have wrought in Committee:
> > >
> > >
>

http://www.forbes.com/business/energy/feeds/ap/2006/03/27/ap2625712.h

> > > tml
> > >
> > > You may have to cut and paste if url gets broken up.
> > >
> > > Ron Getty
> > > SF Libertarian
> > >
> > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen"

<derekj72@>

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > United Farm Workers flag would have been smarter. The best
> choice
> > > would
> > > > have been an American flag.
> > > >
> > > > The Mexican flag is antagonizing the people whose support

they

> > > should be
> > > > currying - Americans.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Derek;
> > > > >
> > > > > In that context would you prefer that they had marched

under

> a
> > > > > United Farm Workers flag?
> > > > >
> > > > > Although marching under the Mexican Flag may have been a
> > > strategic
> > > > > error the land in California on which they were

marching was

> > > once
> > > > > part of Mexico. It got taken away as a result of the
> fraudently
> > > > > concocted Mexican War. In some respects it was a big a

fraud

> as
> > > the
> > > > > War on Iraq. In actually it was nothing more than a land
> grab.
> > > > >
> > > > > Strangely enough in this war Lincoln was against the

Mexican

> War
> > > and
> > > > > the Invasion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron Getty
> > > > > SF Libertarian
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen"
> <derekj72@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My point was more that they should be trying to win

the

> hearts
> > > > > and minds of
> > > > > > American citizens, not further alienating themselves.

They

> > > should
> > > > > be using
> > > > > > symbols that demonstrate that they are already woven

into

> the
> > > > > fabric of
> > > > > > American society.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Derek,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I couldn't agree more. And it's not just a
> tactical
> > > > > error, but a
> > > > > > > moral
> > > > > > > one. Nationalism is nationalism.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <<< starchild >>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The protestors are making a tactical error in

using the

dej72 · March 29, 2006, 2:59am

Thanks Ron. I'm actually still sitting here after being arrested
during the protest.

In the tradition of the great prison literature (Dostoevsky, Martin
Luther King Jr, Starchild), I'm working on writing a book about the
experience.

-Derek

tradergroupe · March 29, 2006, 3:15am

Dear Derek;

Don't forget the prison literature created by Henry David Thoreau
" Civil Disobedience". It formed the non-violent protest foundation
used first by Gandhi and then King.

It still stands as a Libertarian primer for NOT PAYING TAXES. For
those of you who may not have read Civil Disobedience this web site
has it on-line in three parts.

http://eserver.org/Thoreau/civil.html

Gandhi wrote a line or two about his prison experiences as well. And
don't forget Aleksandr Isaevich Solzhenitsyn and his classic One Day
In The Life Of Ivan Denisovich and the immortal: The Gulag
Archipelago.

My goodness - Derek - such luminous Literatti Prisoners to walk amid
and amongst.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:

Thanks Ron. I'm actually still sitting here after being arrested
during the protest.

In the tradition of the great prison literature (Dostoevsky, Martin
Luther King Jr, Starchild), I'm working on writing a book about the
experience.

-Derek

> Dear Derek:)
>
> Sorry I didn't recognize you outside 101 California tonight.
>
> I was thrown by the black beret - the Che icon t-shirt - the red
> kerchief concealing half your face and the flags you were

carrying

> PLO - UFW - AFL/CIO.
>
> All the while leading that mass demonstration and shouting

through

> your bull horn - Freedom Now - No More Taxes - Freedom Now - No

More

> Taxes.
>
> You really got that crowd worked up and if it hadn't been for the
> SFPD-SWAT team I'm certain you could've finished un-furling that
> roof to sidewalk banner on the outside of 101 California. The
> message was really clear and I wish more people could've seen it:
>
> Death To Taxes!!! Free the Taxpayers!!!!! Death To Taxes!!!
>
> I would've stayed to help but had to rush to catch my express

bus or

> ended up waiting a real long time for the next one or ended

getting

> swept up in the mass arrests.
>
> Have you made bail yet???
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> P.S. Why are they called Express Buses - when they ain't???
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@>
> wrote:
> >
> > OK. I agree with everything you've written here. My sympathies
> are with the
> > protestors. But we also need to have rule of law in this

country.

> >
> > >
> > > Dear Derek;
> > >
> > > Lost or not if the Mexicanos leave who's gonna swamp out them
> mens
> > > and ladies rooms and sweep up floors and dump waste baskets

and

> pick
> > > harvests?
> > >
> > > If everyone was so really concerned about "the jobs" Mexicans
> were
> > > taking from good old red-blooded Americans there wouldn't be
> anyone
> > > on unemployemnt and there would be absolutely no need for the
> > > Mexican workers legal or illegal.
> > >
> > > The unemployemnt rules should be changed to read : able to

accept

> > > any job physically capable of handling. If you don't accept

then

> > > immediate cut off of un-employment.
> > >
> > > Then watch how quickly people change their tunes about
> > > Immigraciones - legal or illegal.
> > >
> > > Immigraciones Documentados Senor?
> > >
> > > Ron Getty
> > > SF Libertarian
> > >
> > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen"

<derekj72@>

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It's obvious my point is lost on you. I give up.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Derek;
> > > > >
> > > > > The support is not Americans it's Congress and

specifically

> the
> > > > > Senate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Read this article for what they have wrought in

Committee:

> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>

http://www.forbes.com/business/energy/feeds/ap/2006/03/27/ap2625712.h

> > > > > tml
> > > > >
> > > > > You may have to cut and paste if url gets broken up.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron Getty
> > > > > SF Libertarian
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen"
> <derekj72@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > United Farm Workers flag would have been smarter. The

best

> > > choice
> > > > > would
> > > > > > have been an American flag.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Mexican flag is antagonizing the people whose

support

> they
> > > > > should be
> > > > > > currying - Americans.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Derek;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In that context would you prefer that they had

marched

> under
> > > a
> > > > > > > United Farm Workers flag?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Although marching under the Mexican Flag may have

been a

> > > > > strategic
> > > > > > > error the land in California on which they were
> marching was
> > > > > once
> > > > > > > part of Mexico. It got taken away as a result of the
> > > fraudently
> > > > > > > concocted Mexican War. In some respects it was a big

a

> fraud
> > > as
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > War on Iraq. In actually it was nothing more than a

land

> > > grab.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Strangely enough in this war Lincoln was against the
> Mexican
> > > War
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > the Invasion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ron Getty
> > > > > > > SF Libertarian
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen"
> > > <derekj72@>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My point was more that they should be trying to win
> the
> > > hearts
> > > > > > > and minds of
> > > > > > > > American citizens, not further alienating

themselves.

> They
> > > > > should
> > > > > > > be using
> > > > > > > > symbols that demonstrate that they are already

woven

Starchild · March 29, 2006, 5:04pm

Ha ha ha... flattered to be put in such illustrious company. 8)

<<< starchild >>>

Thanks Ron. I'm actually still sitting here after being arrested
during the protest.

In the tradition of the great prison literature (Dostoevsky, Martin
Luther King Jr, Starchild), I'm working on writing a book about the
experience.

-Derek

> Dear Derek:)
>
> Sorry I didn't recognize you outside 101 California tonight.
>
> I was thrown by the black beret - the Che icon t-shirt - the red
> kerchief concealing half your face and the flags you were carrying
> PLO - UFW - AFL/CIO.
>
> All the while leading that mass demonstration and shouting through
> your bull horn - Freedom Now - No More Taxes - Freedom Now - No More
> Taxes.
>
> You really got that crowd worked up and if it hadn't been for the
> SFPD-SWAT team I'm certain you could've finished un-furling that
> roof to sidewalk banner on the outside of 101 California. The
> message was really clear and I wish more people could've seen it:
>
> Death To Taxes!!! Free the Taxpayers!!!!! Death To Taxes!!!
>
> I would've stayed to help but had to rush to catch my express bus or
> ended up waiting a real long time for the next one or ended getting
> swept up in the mass arrests.
>
> Have you made bail yet???
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> P.S. Why are they called Express Buses - when they ain't???
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > OK. I agree with everything you've written here. My sympathies
> are with the
> > protestors. But we also need to have rule of law in this country.
> >
> > >
> > > Dear Derek;
> > >
> > > Lost or not if the Mexicanos leave who's gonna swamp out them
> mens
> > > and ladies rooms and sweep up floors and dump waste baskets and
> pick
> > > harvests?
> > >
> > > If everyone was so really concerned about "the jobs" Mexicans
> were
> > > taking from good old red-blooded Americans there wouldn't be
> anyone
> > > on unemployemnt and there would be absolutely no need for the
> > > Mexican workers legal or illegal.
> > >
> > > The unemployemnt rules should be changed to read : able to accept
> > > any job physically capable of handling. If you don't accept then
> > > immediate cut off of un-employment.
> > >
> > > Then watch how quickly people change their tunes about
> > > Immigraciones - legal or illegal.
> > >
> > > Immigraciones Documentados Senor?
> > >
> > > Ron Getty
> > > SF Libertarian
> > >
> > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It's obvious my point is lost on you. I give up.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Derek;
> > > > >
> > > > > The support is not Americans it's Congress and specifically
> the
> > > > > Senate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Read this article for what they have wrought in Committee:
> > > > >
> > >
> http://www.forbes.com/business/energy/feeds/ap/2006/03/27/ap2625712.h
> > > > > tml
> > > > >
> > > > > You may have to cut and paste if url gets broken up.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron Getty
> > > > > SF Libertarian
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen"
> <derekj72@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > United Farm Workers flag would have been smarter. The best
> > > choice
> > > > > would
> > > > > > have been an American flag.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Mexican flag is antagonizing the people whose support
> they
> > > > > should be
> > > > > > currying - Americans.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Derek;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In that context would you prefer that they had marched
> under
> > > a
> > > > > > > United Farm Workers flag?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Although marching under the Mexican Flag may have been a
> > > > > strategic
> > > > > > > error the land in California on which they were
> marching was
> > > > > once
> > > > > > > part of Mexico. It got taken away as a result of the
> > > fraudently
> > > > > > > concocted Mexican War. In some respects it was a big a
> fraud
> > > as
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > War on Iraq. In actually it was nothing more than a land
> > > grab.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Strangely enough in this war Lincoln was against the
> Mexican
> > > War
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > the Invasion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ron Getty
> > > > > > > SF Libertarian
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen"
> > > <derekj72@>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My point was more that they should be trying to win
> the
> > > hearts
> > > > > > > and minds of
> > > > > > > > American citizens, not further alienating themselves.
> They
> > > > > should
> > > > > > > be using
> > > > > > > > symbols that demonstrate that they are already woven
> into
> > > the
> > > > > > > fabric of
> > > > > > > > American society.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Derek,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I couldn't agree more. And it's not just a
> > > tactical
> > > > > > > error, but a
> > > > > > > > > moral
> > > > > > > > > one. Nationalism is nationalism.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > <<< starchild >>>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The protestors are making a tactical error in
> using the
> > > > > > > Mexican flag
> > > > > > > > > > as a symbol.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> >
>
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