Proposition C opposition

Marcy,

  I'm unclear on what has been decided. Also, assuming that a vote has
happened when people may not know exactly what they have supposedly
voted on is a dangerous procedure.

  As I understand it, the name appearing on the argument is the
Libertarian Party of San Francisco, not Jawg Greenwald. So much as we
might like to simply leave it all up to her, the LPSF is the entity
which would be legally and publicly accountable for whatever
consequences might result from standing by the argument.

  Here are what I believe are our options:

(1) Avoid an injunction by voluntarily withdrawing the whole argument
before the deadline
(2) Avoid an injunction by voluntarily withdrawing only the part of the
argument that was objected to before the deadline
(3) Leave the argument as is and risk an injunction or other legal
action with the understanding that Jawg and whoever individually wants
to help would be expected to provide the effort and cover the costs of
fighting any such developments
(4) Leave the argument as is and risk an injunction or other legal
action with the understanding that Jawg has the full support of the
LPSF if negative developments result
(5) Some combination of #3 and #4

  Please note that I have no reason to expect a lawsuit to be filed, I'm
just trying to cover the bases.

Yours in liberty,
        <<< Starchild >>>

P.S. - Thanks all and particularly Phil for not crucifying me for the
bad Batman joke... I couldn't resist

but Marcy, what is the risk. If they go to court which is very
unlikely, they will almost certainly lose on first ammendment grounds.
Jawg will do the legal work. No cost. We lose still no cost. We are
very fortunate to have a terrific and articulate lawyer on our side.
This issue will die a quiet death very soon as the chanches for them
going for an injunction knowing they are going up against Jawg are
vvanishingly small. I mean really, how can a good government liberal
common causer risk being accused of censorship.

Naughty, Naughty...No name calling on our venerable list!

Glad to hear Jawj is not worried and she will defend in court, since I
have no intention of showing up in any court hearing myself!

So, I will assume that an ExCom vote has been cast, with Marcy voting
not to go to court (conservative approach to guarding LPSF money),
Jawj and Phil voting to go to court *if* injunction shows up, and Mike
Acree abstaining.

Now do not get me wrong, I am all for a good fight, but not one that
might place membership money at risk.

Marcy

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You are preaching to the choir, Starchild. All you say is right on
target. But, unless I am willing to tie Jawj to a pole to prevent her
from doing what she has determined to do......Words are not working
in this case (and rather stern words too!!)

Marcy

--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:

Marcy,

  I'm unclear on what has been decided. Also, assuming that a

vote has

happened when people may not know exactly what they have supposedly
voted on is a dangerous procedure.

  As I understand it, the name appearing on the argument is the
Libertarian Party of San Francisco, not Jawg Greenwald. So much as

we

might like to simply leave it all up to her, the LPSF is the entity
which would be legally and publicly accountable for whatever
consequences might result from standing by the argument.

  Here are what I believe are our options:

(1) Avoid an injunction by voluntarily withdrawing the whole

argument

before the deadline
(2) Avoid an injunction by voluntarily withdrawing only the part of

the

argument that was objected to before the deadline
(3) Leave the argument as is and risk an injunction or other legal
action with the understanding that Jawg and whoever individually

wants

to help would be expected to provide the effort and cover the costs

of

fighting any such developments
(4) Leave the argument as is and risk an injunction or other legal
action with the understanding that Jawg has the full support of the
LPSF if negative developments result
(5) Some combination of #3 and #4

  Please note that I have no reason to expect a lawsuit to be

filed, I'm

just trying to cover the bases.

Yours in liberty,
        <<< Starchild >>>

P.S. - Thanks all and particularly Phil for not crucifying me for

the

bad Batman joke... I couldn't resist

> but Marcy, what is the risk. If they go to court which is very
> unlikely, they will almost certainly lose on first ammendment

grounds.

> Jawg will do the legal work. No cost. We lose still no cost. We

are

> very fortunate to have a terrific and articulate lawyer on our

side.

> This issue will die a quiet death very soon as the chanches for

them

> going for an injunction knowing they are going up against Jawg are
> vvanishingly small. I mean really, how can a good government

liberal

> common causer risk being accused of censorship.

> Naughty, Naughty...No name calling on our venerable list!
>
> Glad to hear Jawj is not worried and she will defend in court,

since I

> have no intention of showing up in any court hearing myself!
>
> So, I will assume that an ExCom vote has been cast, with Marcy

voting

> not to go to court (conservative approach to guarding LPSF money),
> Jawj and Phil voting to go to court *if* injunction shows up, and

Mike

> Acree abstaining.
>
> Now do not get me wrong, I am all for a good fight, but not one

that

> might place membership money at risk.
>
> Marcy

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