Prop. 75

Discussion
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In a message dated 10/11/2005 7:14:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
fschmidt@... writes:

What about this:

http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/bp_nov05/voter_info_pdf/against75.pdf

"No public employee in California can be forced to become a member of
a union. Non-members pay fees to the union for collective bargaining
services, but the U.S. Supreme Court has consistently ruled that
unions cannot use these fees for political purposes. The union must
send financial statements to the worker to ensure that no unauthorized
fees are used for politics. Today, 25% of state employees contribute
no money to their union's political activities."

then friend schmidt, how do you explain these direct quotes from the very
same web page you are quoting from:

when given a choice, "85% of teachers chose NOT to participate in their
unions political activities"

and, "Despite opposition from more than 4000 prison guards, their union
increased dues by $ 18 million over two years to pay for political campaigns and
to give to politicians".

and this, " WITHOUT A VOTE OF THE MEMBERSHIP, the teachers union recently
increased dues by $ 50 million over three years in order to fund political
campaigns" .

and, "YES ON 75 will simply ask public employee union members for their
approval before automatically using dues for political purposes........
Prop 75 will not prevent unions from collecting political contributions, but
those contributions will be CLEARLY VOLUNTARY".

friend schmidt, your selective quotes lead me to wonder about your
motivation and bona fides and history of libertarian involvement.
did you think that no-one would actually bother to read the page you are
quoting from?

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when given a choice, "85% of teachers chose NOT to participate in

their

unions political activities"

So what? What does this show, other than that many people aren't
interested in politics?

and, "Despite opposition from more than 4000 prison guards, their

union

increased dues by $ 18 million over two years to pay for political

campaigns and

to give to politicians".

How many prison guards are there in total? Without knowing this, the
above is meaningless. In any case, unions are democratic, so union
members can change things if they care to.

and this, " WITHOUT A VOTE OF THE MEMBERSHIP, the teachers union

recently

increased dues by $ 50 million over three years in order to fund

political

campaigns" .

So what? That is how representative democracy works. If the teachers
don't like it, they can elect new leaders.

and, "YES ON 75 will simply ask public employee union members for

their

approval before automatically using dues for political purposes........
Prop 75 will not prevent unions from collecting political

contributions, but

those contributions will be CLEARLY VOLUNTARY".

But it will do no such thing for corporations who spend far more for
political purposes than unions do. So it unfairly favors corporations
over unions.

friend schmidt, your selective quotes lead me to wonder about your
motivation and bona fides and history of libertarian involvement.

I was a libertarian until I realized that most libertarians are more
pro-corporate than pro-liberty.