Dear Ron,
Good approach to moving forward. Yes, I do hope all our members take
a look at the poster and provide input.
Your e-mails on the audience for our poster really got me pensive.
Two posters seem too ambitious to me right now in our first endeavor
of this kind (just like two initiatives!) While I was at first
thinking of a poster for libertarians, now I am thinking of one for
the general public, which would make more sense.
The images as they are right now, as I indicated before, reach me
immediately. I believe they would reach the general public also, with
a little toning down (my previous example was the negative reaction
the general public might have at the police laughing during an
arrest). Most people are aware of the groups portrayed in the images,
and how these groups are often treated shabbily. These are almost
iconic images that almost need no further explanation.
However, as you say, what happens next? Does the general public
members of the groups call us expecting legal asssistance? Or
assistance with their immigration papers? How do we "stand up" for
the groups' rights? Maybe somehow indicate the fact that we are
standing up for/against legislation that affect the groups?
Marcy
--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty <tradergroupe@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Amarcy and Starchild and Mike and Dr.Mike;
>
> First of all I hope all the members of the LPSF Activists have
looked at the poster. So if Starchild is to consider making changes
he could get more input from everyone.
>
> Then if there is a consensus on changes to a particular picture
then do so. Otherwise hold off until a mockup couild be shown at the
next LPSF meeting in March.
>
> And as always we need to define who the market is as Marcy said
is it the general public or participants at Fairs and Tablings???
Literally each could have its own poster
> if the budget permits with some modifications from the master
psoter???
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> "Amarcy D. Berry" <amarcyb@...> wrote:
> Thank you to Michael E. and Mike D. for welcoming changes to the
> original poster.
>
> Ron Getty's most important point, I believe, is the question of who
> is the audience for this poster. For example, the general public
> might not react favorably to portraying the police smiling during
an
> arrest. On the other hand, if the poster were to decorate our
booths
> during various fairs and tablings, the interested audience stopping
> by might be more receptive.
>
> Starchild, Ron, and I have provided very specific suggestions for
> changes. I am wondering how Starchild would want to go about
> arriving at a concensus.
>
> Marcy
>
>
>
> --- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Denny" <mike@> wrote:
> >
> > I donated too and agree....all the input has been terrific!
> >
> >
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
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> > dredelstein@
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:11 AM
> > To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [lpsf-activists] Re: Poster Commentary
> >
> >
> >
> > Marcy,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am one of those who donated for specific images. However, I
> approve of
> > Ron's excellent modifications.
> >
> >
> > Best, Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Amarcy D. Berry <mailto:amarcyb@>
> >
> > To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:14 PM
> >
> > Subject: Poster Commentary: Re: [lpsf-activists] New file
uploaded
> to
> > lpsf-activists
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Ron,
> >
> > Just a reminder that some of the donors that will make this
poster
> > possible donated for these specific images. Changing the images
> > would not be fair.
> >
> > P.S. Maybe it's my cultural background, but the images as they
now
> > stand conveyed to me pretty powerful messages instantly. You
asked
> > what right is being taken away in the Coyote frame. Given the
> > endless deaths in the Arizona desert of people just trying to
make
> a
> > living, I would say the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of
> > happiness. (Just a thought)
> >
> >
> > Marcy
> >
> >
> > --- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty <tradergroupe@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Starchild;
> > >
> > > Nice almost finished draft poster.
> > >
> > > About the poster itself to build on the ancient saying one
> > picture is worth a thousand words. A couple of changes to
consider.
> > >
> > > On the scene of the cops or whomever taking the woman's gun.
> This
> > is way to esoteric because it requires the person who glances at
> the
> > poster to associate the picture with the cops dis-arming New
> Orleans
> > citizens. This is of course if the person who glances at the
poster
> > picture makes the analogy because they were aware of this
happening.
> > >
> > > If you are trying to promote the fact Libertarians believe in
> gun
> > rights a different attempt needs to be made. Like the SFPD
showing
> up
> > to arrest a homowner with a gun in their home.
> > >
> > > The wedding picture could use a lesbian couple - while the
gay
> > couple can say it by picture - a lesbian couple standing there
> > holding hands would be helpful as well.
> > >
> > > The picture which suggests a prostitution bust needs better
> > defining if it is to depict harrassment of sex workers.
> > >
> > > The kids being banned from skate boarding on a really neat
ramp
> > says nanny laws but a better depiction might be someone sitting
on
> a
> > park bench surrounded by open space smoking a cigarette with a no
> > smoking sign over their head and a cop writing a no smoking
ticket
> > for smoking in public.
> > >
> > > The picture of the eldery woman smoking a joint would mean
more
> > if the storm troopers from DEA were shown standing over her
> pointing
> > their arsenals at her and telling her she is under arrest for
> smoking
> > medical marijuana.
> > >
> > > The wrecking ball home would be better served by a large
BOUGHT
> > WITH PUBLIC TAXES - SOLD TO PRIVATE REDEVELOPMENT or some such
> > analogy.
> > >
> > > The closed business would mean more if the sign read:
business
> > license revoked instead of permit revoked.
> > >
> > > The immigration poster needs better definition - to borrow a
> > phrase - what's it all about - what is it supposed to depict and
> what
> > rights are being lost? Does the picture say this???
> > >
> > > The cops beating up on guy on the ground is nice - but what
is
> > the frame of reference or the analogy to what - what is is
supposed
> > to say???
> > >
> > > I am basing my suggestion on having been a somewhat serious
> > amateur photographer and having to work at composition and layout
> and
> > presenting a picture or a montage which at a glance can say a lot
> of
> > things to a lot of people. I did do class study work with Ruth
> > Bernhard among others.
> > >
> > > So being able to present a picture to say a thousand words
can
> be
> > important....
> > >
> > > Ron Getty
> > > SF Libertarian
> > >
> > >
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