Political Chat - This Wednesday

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David,

  I think that certificate is only good at Maharani, not Sheesh Mahal. I
noticed at the Activist Forum, by the way, that the paper menus there
now say "Maharani Express" instead of Sheesh Mahal. Perhaps you can
confirm tonight whether they've formally changed the name. I don't
think I'll be there because I have another engagement.

Yours in liberty,
              <<< Starchild >>>

Thanks Michael.. Yup, sorry for the late notice but
it's been one of those weeks already. However, I will
be there tonight regardless of who shows up. If there
are less than 3 I'll take your suggestion and roll
this topic over to next week.

Also, I've set aside every weds night for the next
month or two to make sure things go smoothly and
consistently.

cheers, David

BTW - the first person to show tonight eats free! I'm
offering up my $10 gift certificate as a bonus.

--- "Dr. Michael R. Edelstein"

David,

Great topic! Due to the short notice, I'm unable
to make it tonight. How about same day, time,
place, and topic in one week, Wed. 4 Feb?

Best, Michael

From: "David Rhodes" <dfrhodes@yahoo.com>
To: <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:02 PM
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Political Chat - This
Wednesday

Hi Everyone -

Just to let you know, the Political Chat is back!

I'd like to change the time and place back to
Wednesday at the Sheesh Mahal, if no one complains

too

loudly. I realize there was a poll taken

previously

that indicated 2 more people would prefer Tuesdays
rather than Wednesdays. But as that hasn't seemed

to

work so far, I think it's time to revert back to

the

previous venue and gain back some critical mass. I
don't want to beat the dead horse again on the

pro's

and con's of Sheesh Mahal, but it's generally

quiet

with large and available tables. Also, we had
outstanding service from Sheesh Mahal last week at

AF,

so hopefully that will continue as well.

So here are the details -

Time: Wednesday, January 28th, 7:00 - 10:00 p.m.
Location: Sheesh Mahal (Indian Restaurant) -1117

Polk

St. (Post/Sutter), 415 775-3888

Topics:
---------------
Okay, I have two topics I think will be of

interest -

one LP related, and one libertarian oriented.

1. "Libertarian Fundamentalism vs.. Incrementalism

-

Should a choice be made?"

Abstract - This is probably one of the oldest

internal

debates in the party, but as this is an election

year

it may be coming to a head. Basically, there are

many

members who believe that the best way forward is

to

stick rigidly to the LP core values at whatever

the

cost to electability. Taxes and government

programs

would be slashed immediately following a White

House

win. Common slogan -"If we can't act as the party

of

principle, then why bother at all?". Then there

are

others who believe the LP should use 'reasonable'
methods to get into office and gradually enact

freedom

over time, even though it may mean committing acts

of

force along the way.

Potential Points for Discussion -

- So what are the metrics of success for the
Libertarian Party? Complete dominance of all

public

offices or just general adoption of real freedom?
- Is the LP better positioned for success as an
extremist party that forces other parties to

change?

- Is it okay to break campaign promises once in

office

if they weren't acts of initiation of force?

2. "Private Cities"

Abstract - One of the most common questions I get

as a

libertarian is "Don't we need government to

provide

roads?". And I think it's one of the more

difficult

aspects of practical libertarianism to argue,

mainly

due to a perception that there are too few

examples of

private roads actually working. I think the best
example is in Las Vegas, where most people assume

the

government is running things where they are not -

http://experts.uli.org/Content/ResFellows/Mcavey/McAvey_Clips_12.htm

Potential Points for Discussion -

-Does the constitution guarantee citizens the

right to

travel wherever they please? (negative or positive
right)
-Better ways to prove private roads will actually

work

on a national scale?
-Are incorporated areas really considered private

if

landowners vote on 'company' matters?
-If the Golden Gate Bridge was privatized and the
tolls were raised to $50, what would the

implications

be?
-Other real world examples of private roads or

cities?

If other topics crop up, then great!

Let's get some new faces there this year as

well...And

don't forget to bring a friend.

Let me know if you have any concerns or questions,

David Rhodes
Libertarian Candidate for Senate, District 3

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