I will stay for the social, if Cindy is there. And, yes, I agree that it is indeed "bad manners" to invite a guest to a meeting where there is no body there! I guess I could post to the Bay Area Patriots Discussion List as you suggest, Ron; however, with trepidation, given the list's hard-core conservative Republican bent. Regarding the Ron Paul group, I thought either Phil or you said John Dennis had already been invited. Has the time Cindy is coming been announced?