Hi Harland,
You plaintively asked, "Why didn't his mother want him born in the USA?
How did Obama get an HI birth certificate and have contemporaneous
announcements in the local newspaper? Did he know it was a fake?"
The answer to your third question, is "yes."
To answer your two other questions, CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret) provides
"[a] proposed narrative to explain the various seemingly conflicting
statements by various people made about Obama's birth in Kenya and
birth records in Hawaii":
Underage U.S. teenager in Hawaii gets pregnant via a significantly older
married man and foreign national from Kenya which would have been a very
unusual event in 1961.
Mother of teenager is in total shock over the event as would have been
many mothers of teenage girls getting pregnant in 1961 and says to her
daughter you have ruined your life and will make going to college much
harder for yourself and convinces the teenage girl to accept the
suggestion of Obama Sr. that she should go to Kenya in the 2nd trimester
or early 3rd trimester of her pregnancy with the plan to give up the
baby to the Kenyan natural family and relatives of the natural father of
the child to be raised in Kenya by them.
Mother travels to Kenya either directly from Hawaii or via Canada. [. .
.]
The Kenyan paternal step-grandmother of the child attends Obama's
birth in Kenyan hospital in Mombasa Kenya and is ready to take custody
of the child and raise the child for the foot-loose and fancy-free
natural father with multiple wives. [. . .] After the birth of her child
in Kenya, the U.S. teenage mother is supposed to return to Hawaii
without her child . . . leaving the child with the natural father's
family in Kenya and restart her life back in Hawaii and/or in college in
Washington State minus the child . . .. In 1961, a pregnant teenage girl
giving up a child to restart their lives anew was not unusual.
But nature and maternal instincts throws the plan a curve ball. Maternal
instincts kick in and mother cannot leave the baby in Kenya, either due
to pure maternal instincts or in seeing the poor conditions in Kenya
that her child would be raised in with a mostly absentee father over
there. Thus she changes her mom's plan [. . .]
Mother gets on plane or ship carrying the child and travels back to
Hawaii and appears at the airport or port upon arrival with the new baby
in tow, or to Washington State, or to Vancouver, Canada, and calls her
mother in Hawaii telling her what she did, much to the shock of her
mother, the child's U.S. grandmother. [ . . ]
The date of arrival back in the USA is on or about 4 Aug 1961. Obama II
would likely be a few weeks old by that time putting his real date of
birth sometime in mid or early July 1961 in Kenya.
Child's U.S. grandmother is very much beside herself at this change
in plans by her daughter, the mother of the child. The child's
grandmother then knowing or learning from legal advisers how lax
Hawaiian birth registration laws were in 1961, then cooks up a plan and
scheme with the child's mother, to lie to Hawaiian officials and
swear and sign an affidavit at the birth registry office that the child
was born in Hawaii at home on 4 Aug 1961, the circa date of return to
the USA and not the real date of birth, with no witnesses but them, in
order to get the child U.S. citizenship (a highly desirable status) to
make future travel and life easier on the family and new child.
They committed this fraud and lie and cover-up simply to gain U.S.
citizenship for the child, a highly coveted status for any child, not
knowing that this child might someday grow up and try to become the
President and thus risk having their fraud, plans, and lies exposed.
Birth registration office then routinely issues the announcements to the
two newspapers, as was the office's custom at the time, i.e., to
send the papers lists of babies birth registrations, of the birth event
which at its source was only based on the false sworn testimony of the
grandmother or mother. If the mother was not in Hawaii at the time, the
grandmother may have even forged Stanley Ann (nee Dunham) Obama's
signature on the affidavit since there is no independent corroborative
evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham Obama was even in Hawaii in Aug 1961.
There is no record of Stanley Ann Dunham Obama being in HI or anywhere
in the USA from circa the very early spring of 1961 until she shows up
in Seattle WA with her infant child in late Aug or early Sep 1961. Thus
the birth notices in the newspapers are not independent data; they came
from the same source, the false sworn statements from the mother and/or
grandmother that the child Obama II was born in Hawaii.
See:
http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/03/04/a-suggested-narrative-how-ob\
ama-is-born-in-kenya-and-has-hawaiian-birth-registration-record/
Harland, I hope Cdr Kerchner had answered your questions.
Still, while that was an entertaining "proposed narrative," I think
Obama's Kenyan birth is highly unlikely (though the "fraud and lie and
cover-up" is probably true) mainly because of the logistics likely to be
involved.
Consider: If you search on expedia.com you can find flights on KLM,
among other airlines, that will fly you from Honolulu, HI to Nairobi,
Kenya with stops in Los Angeles and Amsterdam. Depending on the layover
times, the total trip time is between 32h 35m and 42h 45m.
In 1961, airlines started to make jet travel popular but traveling by
prop planes was still common. I think we can agree that in 1961, even if
Obama's mother could have traveled an all-jet trip from Hawaii to Kenya,
it would have taken considerably longer than current KLM flights.
Besides, which airline would have allowed a woman in her third trimester
to fly, especially on such a long trip? (We can safely presume Stanley
Ann only stayed in Kenya for, at most, two weeks, yes?)
But even if she did fly (traveling by boat would had been out of the
question), and land in Nairobi, there's the trip she had to make to
Mombasa. The "[a]pproximate distance as the crow flies in miles from
Nairobi Kenya to Mombasa Kenya is 274 miles or 440.87 Kilometers."
(http://www.distance-calculator.co.uk/world-distances-nairobi-to-mombasa\
.htm)
How did she get there? By bus? Or maybe by transport provided by Obama
Sr's family. Was that a car or a cart driven by an African beast, or
two? Whichever, she probably did not travel over a smooth paved road. So
imagine the bumps, potholes, rocks and detours that trip would have
encountered -- for upwards of 20 hours. (I don't suppose the RAF
airlifted her by 'chopper to Mombasa, do you?) Can you say
"miscarriage"?
But suppose Stanley Ann did manage to arrive at Mombasa and deliver the
baby. According to Kerchner, "Maternal instincts kick in and mother
cannot leave the baby in Kenya . . .." Mother then takes baby and
returns to the U.S., perhaps via the same route in reverse.
Can anyone believe that the Kenyan step-grandmother or any other member
of the Mombasa clan would have allowed this to happen?
I don't.
So, for these "logistical" reasons, I find it highly unlikely that Obama
was born in Kenya. I also think it's highly unlikely that Obama, Sr. is
the father but I think it's likely he was a willing pawn in the coverup
to lend "legitimacy" to the current occupant of the White House. (Folks,
here's an "unspeakable" truth that's hiding in plain sight: BHO is,
quite literally, a bastard.) Frank Marshall Davis, a black communist,
has been "chosen" as the most likely candidate to be Obama's father.
Another very credible candidate is Stanley Durham, Obama's grandfather,
when he inseminated an "unknown black woman." (See details about these
two probable fathers here:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/a_further_inquiry_into_obamas_1.h\
tml)
And we must consider that Stanley Ann Dunham may not be Obama's mother
after all. (I'd sure like to see her body exhumed for a DNA match,
wouldn't you?)
In any event, Obama's birth is still shrouded in mystery. But can we at
least agree that he was not born in Kenya?
Thanks for reading.
Alton
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Harland Harrison <harlandh5@...>
wrote:
Starchild,
You wrote:
> After reading more about the issue however, I've fairly recently
concluded that Barack Obama was in fact born in Kenya
What did you read? What does it say? Why didn't his mother want him
born in the USA? How did Obama get an HI birth certificate and have
contemporaneous announcements in the local newspaper? Did he know it
was a fake? I have seen so many lies and fabrications from the
"Birthers", with obvious political motives. Still, I would like to know
what you have found.
Harland
> From: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Starchild
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:59 PM
> To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Obama to Stage "Reichstag" Event
> as Trigger for Martial Law?
>
> Harland,
>
> I agree that both scenarios presented in
> the piece Alton forwarded seem rather farfetched, and not
> much like sound political strategy. While we should be
> vigilant against such occurrences in an era where we may be
> near the tipping point of a full-on police state (see quote
> below), it was also predicted that Clinton and Bush would
> declare martial law, postpone elections, and things of this
> sort, which obviously did not materialize. So far I've seen
> no greater evidence that Obama is likely to orchestrate such
> a plot.
>
> After reading more about the issue
> however, I've fairly recently concluded that Barack Obama
> was in fact born in Kenya (meaning he's technically
> ineligible to hold the office of president, although this is
> a bad law which discriminates against immigrants and should
> be changed).
>
> Love & Liberty,
>
>
> ((( starchild )))
>
>
> "As nightfall does not come at once, neither does
> oppression. In both instances there is a twilight
> where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it
> is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in
> the air - however slight - lest we become unwitting victims
> of darkness."
>
> -Supreme Court Justice William Douglas
>
>
>
>
> > You can read the original source on the "Canada Free
> Press" site, if you believe that place at all:
> >
> > http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46516
> >
> > The story includes the "Birther" line that "Obama
> is not an American."
> >
> > The story makes no sense. As a strategy,
> fomenting race riots would work for law-and-order
> Republicans, not for Obama. The current
> administration projects a civil libertarian image. It
> continues many totalitarian policies of George Bush, but
> works hard to minimize public realization. Martial
> law, troops in the streets, would be just the opposite of
> the Obama image. It would play right into the hands of
> the Neo Cons on the other side.
> >
> > This article looks like more right-wing propaganda.
> >
> > Harland Harrison
> >
> >
> >
> > From: ay10038 ay10038@...
> > Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Obama to Stage "Reichstag"
> Event as Trigger for Martial Law?
> > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 11:10 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Here's an article I think you'll find interesting:
> >
> > Obama to Stage "Reichstag" Event as Trigger for Martial
> Law?
> >
> > The Obama agents, through the DHS and other assorted
> colluders, are plotting a major `Reichstag' event to
> generate racial riots and produce the justification for
> martial law, delaying the November 2012 elections, possibly
> indefinitely, a DHS whistleblower informed the Canada Free
> Press on Tuesday.
> >
> > The `Reichstag Event' would take the form of a staged
> assassination attempt against Barack Obama, "carefully
> choreographed" and manufactured by Obama operatives. It
> would subsequently be blamed on "white supremacists" and
> used to enrage the black community to rioting and looting,
> the DHS source warned.
> >
> > The Obama administration would then use the violence
> and chaos they created as justification for the imposition
> of martial law in major urban cities in America, the
> creation of DHS checkpoints, restriction of travel, and the
> indefinite delay of the November 2012 elections.
> >
> > The Reichstag event refers to a fire started during
> Hitler's rise to power. The fire allowed him to grab
> emergency powers and murder his opposition. Historians have
> long believed that Hitler started the fire himself, while he
> blamed it on the Communists.
> >
> >
(http://patriotupdate.com/22993/obama-admin-to-stage-reichstag-event-as-\
trigger-for-martial-law)