Obama - good decent, honest man?

Here is something that is annoying me lately about how the opposition
often speaks about Obama. Take for instance, what Governor McKinsey
Powerpoint said to Merideth Viera the other day in his interview the
morning after Obama's speech: "We may disagree on the approach, but I
think he's (Obama) a good, decent, honest man." McCain said similar
things multiple times during the campaign.

I believe Obama to NOT be a good, decent, honest man. For starters, he
is quite willing to send men with guns to your house if you don't
abide by his edicts of wealth redistribution. If that was not enough,
let's remember his position while in Illinois on abortion, which was
in support of infanticide by neglect of children who against all odds
survived the abortionists intent.

These are not the stances of a "good, decent, honest man."

-Derek

No, but compared to what he's replaced, he's quite moderate.

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@...>
wrote:

Here is something that is annoying me lately about how the

opposition

often speaks about Obama. Take for instance, what Governor McKinsey
Powerpoint said to Merideth Viera the other day in his interview the
morning after Obama's speech: "We may disagree on the approach, but

I

think he's (Obama) a good, decent, honest man." McCain said similar
things multiple times during the campaign.

I believe Obama to NOT be a good, decent, honest man. For starters,

he

is quite willing to send men with guns to your house if you don't
abide by his edicts of wealth redistribution. If that was not

enough,

let's remember his position while in Illinois on abortion, which was
in support of infanticide by neglect of children who against all

odds

Eric,

I don't know what planet you're living on......

But the servitude proposed (for those of us who own a business) by Mr.
Nobama is every bit as evil, and as draconian as a military draft, or
slavery. With his proposed new taxes, on top of property taxes, various
fee's, sales taxes.........i'm sure many of us pay 75 or 80% of our earnings
to the government.

So sing that moderate song to the Progressive blog you belong to......

Unlike your hero, Bush Jr., Obama is cutting taxes for 95% of
Americans. That includes small/medium businesses who've been up
against the monopoly priviledges of the last two decades. As for
saddling the country with debt, the neocons have spent more in
corporate welfare alone than Obama is proposing.

Eric,

I don't know what planet you're living on......

But the servitude proposed (for those of us who own a business) by

Mr.

Nobama is every bit as evil, and as draconian as a military draft,

or

slavery. With his proposed new taxes, on top of property taxes,

various

fee's, sales taxes.........i'm sure many of us pay 75 or 80% of our

earnings

to the government.

So sing that moderate song to the Progressive blog you belong

to......

> No, but compared to what he's replaced, he's quite moderate.
>
> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpsf-discuss%

40yahoogroups.com>,

> "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Here is something that is annoying me lately about how the
> opposition
> > often speaks about Obama. Take for instance, what Governor

McKinsey

> > Powerpoint said to Merideth Viera the other day in his

interview the

> > morning after Obama's speech: "We may disagree on the approach,

but

> I
> > think he's (Obama) a good, decent, honest man." McCain said

similar

> > things multiple times during the campaign.
> >
> > I believe Obama to NOT be a good, decent, honest man. For

starters,

> he
> > is quite willing to send men with guns to your house if you

don't

> > abide by his edicts of wealth redistribution. If that was not
> enough,
> > let's remember his position while in Illinois on abortion,

which was

Eric:

The proper metric to consider is not whether taxes were cut for XX%
of the population or whatever, but instead what percentage of the
country's production is controlled by government. That, more than
any other metric is in my opinion the best way to gauge a nation's
economic freedom.

I'm certain that number will be much higher under Obama than Bush.

-Derek

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "ERIC" <lincolnproducts@...>
wrote:

  Unlike your hero, Bush Jr., Obama is cutting taxes for 95% of
Americans. That includes small/medium businesses who've been up
against the monopoly priviledges of the last two decades. As for
saddling the country with debt, the neocons have spent more in
corporate welfare alone than Obama is proposing.

>
> Eric,
>
> I don't know what planet you're living on......
>
> But the servitude proposed (for those of us who own a business)

by

Mr.
> Nobama is every bit as evil, and as draconian as a military

draft,

or
> slavery. With his proposed new taxes, on top of property taxes,
various
> fee's, sales taxes.........i'm sure many of us pay 75 or 80% of

our

earnings
> to the government.
>
> So sing that moderate song to the Progressive blog you belong
to......
>
>
>
> > No, but compared to what he's replaced, he's quite moderate.
> >
> > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpsf-discuss%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Derek Jensen" <derekj72@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Here is something that is annoying me lately about how the
> > opposition
> > > often speaks about Obama. Take for instance, what Governor
McKinsey
> > > Powerpoint said to Merideth Viera the other day in his
interview the
> > > morning after Obama's speech: "We may disagree on the

approach,

but
> > I
> > > think he's (Obama) a good, decent, honest man." McCain said
similar
> > > things multiple times during the campaign.
> > >
> > > I believe Obama to NOT be a good, decent, honest man. For
starters,
> > he
> > > is quite willing to send men with guns to your house if you
don't
> > > abide by his edicts of wealth redistribution. If that was not
> > enough,
> > > let's remember his position while in Illinois on abortion,
which was
> > > in support of infanticide by neglect of children who against

all

thats a pretty low bar.

'A government big enough

to give you everything you want,

is strong enough to take everything you have.'

Thomas Jefferson

I don't think Obama can do much more than Bush. There are very few economic sectors left that the neocons haven't already spread the tentacles of government into.

It's a very low bar. My point was though, that Obama -- liberal though he is-- is acting more like a conservative than the Bushmen did. He's actually given a tax cut---which is even higher than the phony 'rebate' schemes doled out by Bush. The so-called tax increases on the wealthy huffed about by the MSM, were really just cancellations of upper-class tax cuts proposed by Bush. And Obama is cutting down on corporate welfare in some areas.

True, and under Bush it was big enough and strong enough to take away a lot of our liberties.

Eric,
Does your comment mean that you really think our government is less strong under Obama? I think Bush did a lot of things he should not have done, but you really think Obama is making government less intrusive in our lives?
Marge

Guys-We could argue all day of whether its more desirable to die from a gun shot or a stab wound.......the truth is, we don't know, but there is only one reality: the inevitable outcome of either path is death

Let's just be frank here.

Eric:

You don't think that cancelling a tax cut is the same as raising taxes?

-Derek

Though true, it was Gerald Ford, not Thomas Jefferson who said it:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson

Jefferson could never have imagined the size of our government today!

Harland Harrison
LP of San Mateo County CA

ERIC <lincolnproducts@...> a écrit :

Eric:

Can I ask what you believe an appropriate Federal marginal tax rate would be for someone making $10 million a year?

-Derek

Answer: zero. I would abolish all income taxes except for foreign-owned corporations.

I could give you a better answer after Obama has been in office longer than a month. But he does seem inclined to breaking up much of Bush's corporate/police state apparatus, such as ending police raids on medical marijuana facilities, for example.

Eric- you should note that there were no income taxes up to 1861. And even then, they were only created -surprise surprise!!- to fund a war.

Even then, it was only in 1894 when democrats established the first peace-time income tax......which the supreme court held in 1895 were unconstitutional....

It was only in 1913 when congress finally ratified the 16th amendment....pillaging our wallets in the process.

That, btw, was the same year the FED came into existence.....some year that turned out to be....

:frowning:

Don't forget that 1913 also brought us direct election of senators, a terrible blow for states' rights.

-Derek

Wasn't that because senator positions had been selling to the highest bidder?