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believe there should be any distinction or discrimination or
dissension because of sex. <

In addition, no prohibition because of number of individuals wishing
to marry, e.g., polygamy.

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Or age, I would say, as long as the individuals involved are legally independent and responsible for their own affairs.

        <<< Starchild >>>

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Dear Starchild;

Try to define legally independent and responsible for their own affairs when talking to a teenager. Good Luck! While there are some teenagers who are very adult at a young age the majority just plain ain't. This is why I believe there should be some minimal age restriction arbitrary as it is at 18. Exceptions to the rule can be applied for at anytime.

A question - not just for Starchild but everyone out there.

If it isn't to painful to think about - what were you like as a 15 - 16 - 17 year old teenager? Anything approaching legally independent and responsible for your own affairs??? Whoo Hoo!!!

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

Starchild <sfdreamer@...> wrote:
      Or age, I would say, as long as the individuals involved are legally
independent and responsible for their own affairs.

                        <<< Starchild >>>

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Ron,

  If a young person is willing and able to strike out on their own before the age of 18 -- as has historically, been the case with many individuals who went on to prosper and make great contributions to society -- you wouldn't have the law prohibit this, would you? I'm agreeing that someone who is a dependent of their parents or guardians should have to take the legal step of emancipating herself in order to have full legal rights. I also think that the 18 years following birth is a reasonable period for parents or guardians to be required by law to exercise their guardianship, unless the dependent person freely decides to seek emancipation earlier.

Yours in liberty,
          <<< Starchild >>>

Dear Starchild;

Try to define legally independent and responsible for their own affairs when talking to a teenager. Good Luck! While there are some teenagers who are very adult at a young age the majority just plain ain't. This is why I believe there should be some minimal age restriction arbitrary as it is at 18. Exceptions to the rule can be applied for at anytime.

A question - not just for Starchild but everyone out there.

If it isn't to painful to think about - what were you like as a 15 - 16 - 17 year old teenager? Anything approaching legally independent and responsible for your own affairs??? Whoo Hoo!!!

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

Starchild <sfdreamer@...> wrote:

  Or age, I would say, as long as the individuals involved are legally

independent and responsible for their own affairs.

                    &lt;&lt;&lt; Starchild &gt;&gt;&gt;

> From: "Ronald Getty" <tradergroupe@...>
>> Any two people 18 years of age or older can get married. I do not
> believe there should be any distinction or discrimination or
> dissension because of sex. <
>
> In addition, no prohibition because of number of individuals wishing
> to marry, e.g., polygamy.

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Dear Starchild;

As I so noted exceptions can apply at anytime. But for the vast
majority - Oy Vey! 18 it should be regardless of race, creed, color,
sex, sexual preferences etc etc etc. Unless the persons can show
they are ready to be emancipated a whole heck of a lot earlier.

As I also asked generically of everyone what were you like as a
teenger??? Were you ready for early emancipation???

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:

Ron,

  If a young person is willing and able to strike out on their

own

before the age of 18 -- as has historically, been the case with

many

individuals who went on to prosper and make great contributions to
society -- you wouldn't have the law prohibit this, would you? I'm
agreeing that someone who is a dependent of their parents or

guardians

should have to take the legal step of emancipating herself in

order to

have full legal rights. I also think that the 18 years following

birth

is a reasonable period for parents or guardians to be required by

law

to exercise their guardianship, unless the dependent person freely
decides to seek emancipation earlier.

Yours in liberty,
          <<< Starchild >>>

> Dear Starchild;
>
> Try to define legally independent and responsible for their own
> affairs when talking to a teenager. Good Luck! While there are

some

> teenagers who are very adult at a young age the majority just

plain

> ain't. This is why I believe there should be some minimal age
> restriction arbitrary as it is at 18. Exceptions to the rule can

be

> applied for at anytime.
>
> A question - not just for Starchild but everyone out there.
>
> If it isn't to painful to think about - what were you like as a

15 -

> 16 - 17 year old teenager? Anything approaching legally

independent

> and responsible for your own affairs??? Whoo Hoo!!!
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> Starchild <sfdreamer@e…> wrote:
>
> Or age, I would say, as long as the individuals involved

are

> legally
> independent and responsible for their own affairs.
>
> <<< Starchild >>>
>
>
>
> > From: "Ronald Getty" <tradergroupe@y...>
> >> Any two people 18 years of age or older can get married. I do

not

> > believe there should be any distinction or discrimination or
> > dissension because of sex. <
> >
> > In addition, no prohibition because of number of individuals

wishing

> > to marry, e.g., polygamy.
>
>
>
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Ron,

  Perhaps I'm reading too much into your wording, but the language "exceptions may apply" makes it sound like you favor an age-based law discriminating against young people, regardless of their dependency status. What I'm proposing is that dependents be allowed to legally establish themselves as independent individuals by making the legal affirmations and being of sound mind and body, and that once independent, that they have full human rights under the law. Do you disagree with this?

  To answer your question, I think I could have made it independently as a teenager, but it was not my wish to do so. I did want the choice, however.

        <<< Starchild >>>

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Dear Starchild;

Nope not at all. Anyone who can show at any age that they are
capable can and should not be held back by anyone for any reason
what so ever. This is regardless of race, creed, color, sex, sexual
preferences etc etc etc

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>

wrote:

Ron,

  Perhaps I'm reading too much into your wording, but the

language

"exceptions may apply" makes it sound like you favor an age-based

law

discriminating against young people, regardless of their

dependency

status. What I'm proposing is that dependents be allowed to

legally

establish themselves as independent individuals by making the

legal

affirmations and being of sound mind and body, and that once
independent, that they have full human rights under the law. Do

you

disagree with this?

  To answer your question, I think I could have made it

independently as

a teenager, but it was not my wish to do so. I did want the

choice,

however.

        <<< Starchild >>>

>
> Dear Starchild;
>
> As I so noted exceptions can apply at anytime. But for the vast
> majority - Oy Vey! 18 it should be regardless of race, creed,

color,

> sex, sexual preferences etc etc etc. Unless the persons can show
> they are ready to be emancipated a whole heck of a lot earlier.
>
> As I also asked generically of everyone what were you like as a
> teenger??? Were you ready for early emancipation???
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
>
> — In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e…>
> wrote:
>> Ron,
>>
>> If a young person is willing and able to strike out on their
> own
>> before the age of 18 – as has historically, been the case with
> many
>> individuals who went on to prosper and make great contributions

to

>> society -- you wouldn't have the law prohibit this, would you?

I'm

>> agreeing that someone who is a dependent of their parents or
> guardians
>> should have to take the legal step of emancipating herself in
> order to
>> have full legal rights. I also think that the 18 years following
> birth
>> is a reasonable period for parents or guardians to be required

by

> law
>> to exercise their guardianship, unless the dependent person

freely

>> decides to seek emancipation earlier.
>>
>> Yours in liberty,
>> <<< Starchild >>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Dear Starchild;
>>>
>>> Try to define legally independent and responsible for their own
>>> affairs when talking to a teenager. Good Luck! While there are
> some
>>> teenagers who are very adult at a young age the majority just
> plain
>>> ain't. This is why I believe there should be some minimal age
>>> restriction arbitrary as it is at 18. Exceptions to the rule

can

> be
>>> applied for at anytime.
>>>
>>> A question - not just for Starchild but everyone out there.
>>>
>>> If it isn't to painful to think about - what were you like as a
> 15 -
>>> 16 - 17 year old teenager? Anything approaching legally
> independent
>>> and responsible for your own affairs??? Whoo Hoo!!!
>>>
>>> Ron Getty
>>> SF Libertarian
>>>
>>> Starchild <sfdreamer@e…> wrote:
>>>
>>> Or age, I would say, as long as the individuals involved
> are
>>> legally
>>> independent and responsible for their own affairs.
>>>
>>> <<< Starchild >>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: "Ronald Getty" <tradergroupe@y…>
>>>>> Any two people 18 years of age or older can get married. I do
> not
>>>> believe there should be any distinction or discrimination or
>>>> dissension because of sex. <
>>>>
>>>> In addition, no prohibition because of number of individuals
> wishing
>>>> to marry, e.g., polygamy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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