On capital punishment being wrong you left out my part about
restitution and the convicted criminal being responsible for
restitution to the victim or their family. What are your thoughts
about making the convicted criminal liable for restitution?
Afterall, an executed person can not make a restitution to the
victim or their family.
On War - to paraphrase Clausewitz it is an extension of politics to
make a landgrab. When was the last time the USA had to be genuinely
concerned about an armed invasion? The War of 1812 with Britain was
the last time.
In our Vietnam War with North Vietnam it was not a concern. Although
there is one one thing which can be said about George Bush. When he
was with the Texas National Air Guard not one North Vietnamese
soldier made it ashore alive to invade Texas.
The Korean War of the 1950's was not a threat. Otherwise, war is
wrong and it is nothing more than an excuse for a landgrab. Or in
the case of Iraq an oilgrab. ( See Halliburton and Bechtel for more.)
Faith is something you have based on your personal belief value
system. You can not impose a faith based value system on another
person or a group of persons if they do not choose to VOLUNTARILY
adopt or adapt the precepts of that faith. This is why the abortion
debate bounces all over the place. And the debate will never be
settled until people stop trying to impose their ethic, moral and
religious beliefs on other people. And let people do things their
way so long as it does not impose their ehtic, morlas or religious
beliefs on another person or group of persons.
--- In email@example.com, "Christopher R. Maden"
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>I take keyboard in hand to attempt to submit a " true believer
>" Libertarian position on war, abortion and capital punishment.
>try to be extremely brief leaving out numerous unsaid things.
Danger! Danger, Will Robinson! Ratholes ahead...
>A genuine Libertarian would not believe in war. War ultimately
>the involuntary taking of another persons property whether real
>or their life or their enjoyment of life.
I agree. However, if a nation is invaded, what are its options?
anarchists among us would say there should be no nation as such,
people of a region may still come together to defend themselves.
defensive war, at least, is justified.
Now what if we had intelligence that Canada was planning to invade
imminently? Is a preemptive strike justified? I think that's
what most of
the real debate over Iraq comes down to: was Iraq truly a threat?
trust Cheney farther than I can throw Rosie O'Donnell, so I don't
[There are those, as I mentioned before, that think that removing
nation's dictator is a good use of our armed forces. I feel
that is not a libertarian position; American citizens certainly
for freedom anywhere in the world - or against it - but the US
should not be doing so.]
>A woman has the right to control her very personal property -
>body. Based on what her own personal situation is she is the only
>qualified to make any such decision. Absolutely no one has the
>tell her how to take care of her own personal property. Any
>arguments about life and taking a life are irrelevant and
>use of such arguments would be the embodiment of the State
>religious belief on a person or group of persons. This is
Speaking as a pro-choice Libertarian: what about the child's
we can settle the question of the humanity of a fetus, we can't
question of abortion rights based solely on libertarian
principles, as Dave
said. *If* the fetus is a human, then its rights must be weighed
the mother's; *if* the fetus is a growth in the woman until born,
mother's rights are paramount. But the issue is precisely one of
Personally, I think technology will render this question moot as
on. We can already deliver a five-month-old fetus by Caesarian
and have it
survive, if healthy; establishing viability thresholds below which
fetus is not considered alive on its own would settle the debate
>Capital punishment is wrong.
Again, that's a moral argument, and doesn't necessarily proceed
libertarian principles. I have another line of thought: there may
people who deserve to die for what they've done. But if I don't
government to say who can get married, I certainly don't trust it
who must die.
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