Dear Starchild;
On a revolutionary war and rising up against tyranny like the
Founding Fathers. They were in part revolting against the tyranny of
taxes. To that point we should also be looking at rising up in a New
Revolutionary War against the Tyranny of Taxes and Taxation Without
Representation.
Perhaps it is time for California to secede from the Union and the
onerous federal taxes. And declare all taxes illegal in the new
Golden Bear nation of California.
How about a new free-trade tax-free nation of California?
Abortion is a hot point topic with several divergent views. But the
basis for all of the state enacted laws was religion. And this was
the imposition of a religious belief on all people whether or not
they wanted the choice. This is what my main contention is. And it
still should be up to the woman bearing the child to have the right
of choice. She is the one who is facing the risks of child-
bearing.
Capital punishment is so larded with politics it needs to be
abolished. You have the US Attorney General ordering his local
attorney general to demand the death penalty even if the local
attorney general had decided not to request a death penalty. You
have local DA's cherry picking murder cases to request the death
penalty. You have DA's witholding material evidence, fabricating
evidence and supborning witnesses. You have people on death row
exonerated by the dozens. You have court assigned defenders who have
never tried a capital crime case. Go to what is refered to as LWOP.
Life without parole. Be done with capital crimes and all the
politics involved.
On restitution. The basis for this goes back to days of yore in the
villages of lore. Originally it was an eye for an eye. Then mankind
evolved into a higher thinking animal? Then the precept developed of
restitution to the aggrieved victims family and became a form of
common law. Today this common law has not been enacted to any
degree. Although, in the case of the OJ Simpson murder case the
victims family were able to get some restitution in civil court.
Could restitution be used for hate speech? In a manner it has. An
anti-abortionist was hit with a civil claim for his activities at a
family planning center. Could this be used againt the KKK for their
avtivities? Forms of restitution have gone against them. Enacting a
restitution law could be done. So long as Free Speech rights were
not infringed upon.
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:
Ron,
It seems to me these issues are not so clear cut. Take war,
which you
say a genuine libertarian wouldn't believe in. Isn't revolution a
form
of war (e.g. "the Revolutionary War")? And isn't it libertarian to
believe that people have the right to rise up in revolution
against
tyranny? Are you suggesting that Thomas Jefferson, George
Washington,
et. al., weren't libertarian?
On abortion: Roughly half of fetuses are female. If there is
a
philosophical principle that exempts these "women" from the right
to
control their own bodies, you haven't named it here. Does living
inside
someone else make you their slave, and do you become free when you
leave, but only if you leave voluntarily? Do children born in
assisted
births then have fewer rights?
Capital punishment is most frequently used in cases of
murder. One
can't provide restitution to a murder victim, since the person is
dead.
If you think restitution is owed to those who suffer emotionally
(i.e.
the friends or family of the victim deserve to be compensated for
their
grief), that raises questions about whether other kinds of
emotional
suffering (such as that caused by "hate speech") ought to be
similarly
compensated.
Please note that I don't necessarily agree with all of the
above
arguments, I'm just pointing out that the issues are complicated.
Yours in liberty,
<<<
Starchild >>>
> Dear David;
>
> I take keyboard in hand to attempt to submit a " true believer "
> Libertarian position on war, abortion and capital
punishment. I will
> try to be extremely brief leaving out numerous unsaid things.
>
> A genuine Libertarian would not believe in war. War ultimately
> involves the involuntary taking of another persons property
whether
> real property or their life or their enjoyment of life.
>
> A woman has the right to control her very personal property -
namely
> her body. Based on what her own personal situation is she is the
only
> person qualified to make any such decision. Absolutely no one
has the
> right to tell her how to take care of her own personal property.
Any
> religious arguments about life and taking a life are irrelevant
and
> immaterial. The use of such arguments would be the embodiment of
the
> State imposing a religious belief on a person or group of
persons.
> This is unconstitutional.
>
> Capital punishment is wrong. If the person who committed the
crime is
> executed then that person is unable to provide restitution to
the
> victim. Restitution for wrongs committed against another person
or
> their property is a Libertarian hallmark. In that a person must
accept
> personal responsibility for their wrongdoings and make
restitution. A
> dead person can do no such thing.
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
> David Rhodes <dfrhodes@y...> wrote:
>
> --- Bruce Cohen <brucedcohen@c...> wrote:
> <snip>
> > Many Libertarians, estimated to be around 45% of
> > the LP membership, supported the action in Iraq.
>
> Seems to me like this is one of those topics that the
> lp would do better to take no position on. Like
> abortion and capital punishment, there doesn't seem to
> be any way to objectively determine a solid moral
> principle, from an lp perspective at least. Not as a
> cop out, but maybe we shouldn't try to attempt to use
> libertarianism to answer all of the world's
> problems(?).
>
> Just a thought.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
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