Marcy,
Maybe I wasn't clear. I'm *not* saying a vote was required, or should
(or should not) have been taken. I am merely saying that without one,
there was no group decision at the meeting regarding Direct Action
Forum, and the minutes should reflect the fact that no decision was
made. If you are aware of a process other than that mentioned in my
last message by which the group is empowered to make decisions without
voting when there is obvious disagreement over an issue, please let me
know. And in such a case, how would one know when a decision has been
made? Of course the Executive Committee can also act on its own, but
that is not what happened.
Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>
Starchild,
Again, I agree with you that perhaps a vote should have been taken
regarding
the decision on the Direct Action Forum. However, none was
"required," and
no one called for one. The decision as it stands in the minutes was
quite
clear to me. I said in my previous e-mai to you that if you or anyone
convinced me that I misunderstood, and no decision was made, I would be
happy to change the minutes. So far, I have only heard from you on
this
subject; and you have not convinced me.You do have the alternative to request that this subject be placed on
the
next agenda, and then at the next meeting request that a vote be taken
on
how/if/when the DAF would be announced by the LPSF.Marcy
From: Starchild <sfdreamer@earthlink.net>
To: Marcy Berry <amarcyb@hotmail.com>, LPSF Discussion List
<lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
CC: robpower@robpower.com
Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Minutes 10/11 & DAF
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:24:41 -0700Marcy,
Perhaps someone (Rob?) said something at the meeting that implied a
decision was being made. If so, reporting that a decision was made is
an
understandable mistake. However if a group decision requires a vote
(my
understanding of the bylaws) then no vote = no decision, regardless
of
what may have been said. (An exception would be if the chair saying
something like, "If there are no objections..." to let people know a
decision is about to be made without a vote unless someone objects.)Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>Hi Starchild,
1. I am responding to your comment that the Minutes of 10/11/03 are
incorrect on the subject of the Direct Action Forum. As I see it,
the
minutes are supposed to reflect what happened, not what should have
happened. I agree with you that perhaps a vote should have been
taken
regarding the DAF. However, since no one called for a vote, none was
taken;
and therefore, a decision was made without a vote. I will be happy
to
change the Minutes of 10/11/03 regarding the DAF only if you, or
anyone,
points out that I misunderstood what transpired at the meeting.2. While I am on the subject of the DAF. I promised at the last
meeting
that I would look at the newspapers around my house to see if I
still had
the one containing the article on the Lowell High School parents
protesting
their children's busing. I do not. I looked on Google, and did not
find
it
either. With this brief experience trying to find a topic, I now
sympathize
even more with your efforts to find topics and speakers for the DAF.
You
have volunteered for a huge assignment!Regards,
Marcy
From: Starchild <sfdreamer@earthlink.net>
To: Rob Power <robpower@robpower.com>
CC: Marcy Berry <amarcyb@hotmail.com>, LPSF Discussion List
<lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: Next Political Chat CANCELLED
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:33:25 -0700Rob,
As I noted at the meeting, the Chat for this week was NOT
announced.
There were a couple messages relating to it, but no announcement.
(There
have similarly been messages relating to the Direct Action Forum
stating
that it happens on the third Wednesday each month which I do not
think
you
would consider announcements.) Also since Dave is no longer
running
the
Chat, has someone else stepped forward to take responsibility for
it,
or
if it just sort of devolves to whoever shows up or feels like
calling
for
a topic. In short, it's not clear (to me at least) that it is a
formal
event at this point, or just the default thing that happens on
Wednesdays
if people express an interest and there's nothing else going on.I do not believe any formal decision was made at the meeting as to
how
the whole DAF matter would be handled. I think the minutes are
incorrect
on this point (Marcy, please note!). Presumably there are enough
votes
to
force a "solution" on me that I do not want, but no vote was
taken, at
least not while I was in the room. If we're going to have process,
let's
at least make sure it's DUE process.I think our chair has been trying to see both sides of this and
find a
solution that makes everyone happy, for which I commend him. So I
don't
like to shine a spotlight in that direction, but I feel obliged in
my
own
defense (since that has fallen to me) to point out that the agendas
for
our regular monthly business meetings are rarely posted in a timely
fashion either.If it is this difficult for Chris -- who doesn't have to research,
contact, and schedule an outside speaker, often gets reminders of
the
meeting in the form of agenda items, and is (presumably) less prone
to
procrastination than I am -- to send an agenda ONE week out, I'd
think
a
bit more understanding of my failure to inform people of the speaker
more
than a few days in advance is in order.Thank you to Marcy for volunteering to help with Direct Action
Forum
by
sending out E-vites. Steve, you also volunteered to help; I
apologize,
but
I'm a little fuzzy on what you offered to do.Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1At the monthly LPSF meeting on Saturday, we found out that there
will
be a Direct Action Forum this month, after all, so this week's chat
(Oct 15) is cancelled. Those who would have attended the chat are
encouraged to attend the Direct Action Forum at Sheesh Mahal
restaurant at 7 p.m., where the speaker will be telling us about an
important eminent domain case happening in the City in the near
future. The next political chat will now be the following
Wednesday
(Oct 22) at the Siam Thai restaurant (55 Cyril Magnum Ct, nr. 5th &
Market) at 7 p.m.Please note that this will be the last time an announced chat is
cancelled at the last minute in favor of an unannounced Direct
Action
Forum. We agreed at Saturday's meeting (and this is in the
official
minutes this time) that future meetings of Direct Action Forum for
which a speaker is not announced at least two weeks in advance will
not be given scheduling priority or LPSF publicity at the expense
of
the weekly political chat.Again, apologies for the last-minute notice.
Rob
- -----Original Message-----
From: dave barker [mailto:dbarker_sfusd@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 7:55 PM
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Next Political ChatHi Everyone,
I want to thank those of you who are keeping the
political chat going. I think it is still a very
useful forum, and important to sustain. I wish I could
be there. My Monday and Wednesday evening classes at
CSU Hayward will be over in November (I think). Maybe
I should look at the syllabus at some point!Dave Barker.
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