OK, I'm good with whatever printing arrangements are decided upon.
BTW, "giving away" (!!??)
Marcy
--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@...>
wrote:
Scott is an artist, but I'm not sure he has any more
experience with
ordering posters than any of us. I think 100 is about the lowest
number of posters we should order. I'll personally want to keep at
least a couple, and would like to have a few extras to give to
friends and such, and I'm sure other activists may wish to do
likewise. We may be able to sell or give away some at LP events,
and
can sell or give away others at events like the Pride festival,
and
I'd like to try to get a bunch put up in public, in store windows,
on
construction walls, etc. Between these various uses, I think we
could
easily go through a couple hundred posters in a year or two.
Love & liberty,
<<< starchild >>>
> I believe Phil was thinking about 100 or so posters, so it seems
that
> the full collor, ink jet printing may apply? Starchild, you are
> right about the shipping costs, but my thinking in suggesting
Scott
> take care of it was that he is the expert, and maybe we would not
be.
>
> Marcy
>
> --- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Here's what Scott writes (I assume he won't mind me posting
> it here
> > and did not do so himself only because he is not subscribed to
our
> > local list):
> >
> > > In normal offset printing, there would be a cost savings by
> having
> > > fewer colors. But offset printing is only cost-effective when
> > > you're ordering more than 500 - 1,000 copies of a poster,
> pamphlet,
> > > or something similar. For short runs (25-100) being discussed
> here,
> > > it's cheaper to use computerized ink-jet printing, in which
case
> > > the number of colors don't matter.
> > >
> > > Another alternative for large posters is silk-screen printing.
> > > There may be some silk-screen printer somewhere in the SF area
> that
> > > could get the job done at low cost, but he probably doesn't
have
> a
> > > website. The silk-screen printers I could find tended to be
very
> > > pricey.
> > >
> > > When we were discussing this originally, I don't recall there
> being
> > > a number of copies discussed. I assumed there would be at
least
> > > several hundred copies printed via offset printing, thus I
> > > recommended 2-color.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -- Scott Bieser
> > > Illustrator, Cartoonist, Designer
> > > http://www.scottbieser.com
> >
> > I'm assuming we'd be printing more than 25-50 copies, but
> maybe
> > fewer than 500? I think we'd talked about a few hundred before.
> >
> > Love & liberty,
> > <<< starchild >>>
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Starchild,
> > >
> > > Two color and four color printing costs can indeed be the same
> > > price, if the criteria are met:
> > > 1) Size small enough for inkjet (in my experience up to about
> 36"
> > > wide and any length; Scott seems to think 27" x 36" is the
> cutoff,
> > > but he may be thinking of printing the poster sideways using
the
> > > full width of the paper at 36").
> > > 2) Quantity low enough so that custom printing is not
justified,
> > > say less than 500-1000 (Scott says 2000).
> > >
> > > Sure, if you are running a LOT of these, then setting up two
spot-
>
> > > color inks on a conventional printer makes sense. At lower
> > > quantities using a standard ink-jet printer with standard CMYK
> > > color scheme (4-6 standard color inks, typ.) is cheaper
because
> > > there is virtually no setup cost.
> > >
> > > You need to shop around with various printers to find the
exact
> > > parameters where costs crossover. But it is true that full
> color
> > > is the same price as two color if ink-jet printing technology
is
> > > used. You are basically just paying for square feet at that
> point.
> > >
> > > Rich
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Starchild
> > > Sent: May 24, 2007 5:19 PM
> > > To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
> > > Cc: Scott Bieser
> > > Subject: Re: [lpsf-activists] Re: Fw: LPSF Poster
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks you guys for following up on this -- I kept meaning to
> but
> > > putting it on the back burner. My assumption was that Scott
> would
> > > send us the design, and we would get it printed at this end,
to
> > > save on shipping costs. I'm very surprised if there's no price
> > > difference between one color and four colors. It seems to me
> that
> > > we'd had an estimate before where those costs were different,
but
> I
> > > could be mistaken.
> > >
> > > Love & liberty,
> > > <<< starchild >>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> Oh, I did not know the two or four color did not matter
> pricewise!
> > >> It would be great to have the poster full color, in the less
> > >> expensive digital inkjet printing Scott refers to!
> > >>
> > >> Marcy
> > >>
> > >> --- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, "Philip Berg"
<philip@>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Why not make it four color then
> > >> > From: "Scott Bieser" <scott@>
> > >> > To: "Philip Berg" <philip@>
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:16 AM
> > >> > Subject: Re: Fw: LPSF Poster
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > > Well, that's good because the cheapest price I could
find on
> a
> > >> 36"x48"
> > >> > > poster was $891.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Once you get below 27x39 you get into the realm of
digital
> inkjet
> > >> > > printing, which is much less expensive in quantities
under
> 2,000.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The thing here is, though, that going with just two
colors
> > >> doesn't save
> > >> > > you any money on printing now. One color, four colors,
it's
> all
> > >> the same.
> > >> > > So, do you want to keep the art 2-color or make it full-
> color?
> > >> I'd have
> > >> > > to charge an additional $50 on the artwork side. Printing
> costs
> > >> are the
> > >> > > same either way (I'll have some quotes later today).
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Philip Berg wrote:
> > >> > >> Approximately 27 x 39 sounds great. Go for it. Thank you
> > >> > >> Phil
<scott@>
> > >> > >> To: "Philip Berg" <philip@>
> > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:41 PM
> > >> > >> Subject: Re: Fw: LPSF Poster
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>> I'll go collect some printer quotes, but I have to
warn you
> > >> that going
> > >> > >>> up higher than 27"x39" is going to get very expensive.
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>< BR style="font-family: Georgia;font-size: 13px;">> >>>
> > >> Philip Berg wrote:
> > >> > >>>> scott, Thanks for your reply the other day. In
rereading
> > >> yourletter,
> > >> > >>>> the following question crystallized. I would like to
take
> a
> > >> final price
> > >> > >>>> to my group. Could you make a proposal for a fianl
> delivered
> > >> price, 2
> > >> > >>>> color of approximately the size we described. Please
make
> the
> > >> price for
> > >> > >>>> 50 copies , with alternate prices for only 25 copies
and
> 100..
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>> thanks,
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>> I am quite committed for getting this done, appreciate
> your
> > >> work so
> > >> > >>>> far, and looking forward to a final agreement. A
> reasonable
> > >> deposit for
> > >> > >>>> work performed so far would be quite doable.
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>> Phil
> > >> > >>>> <scott@>
> > >> > >>>> To: "Philip Berg" <philip@>
> > >> > >>>> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 7:11 AM
> > >> > >>>> Subject: Re: Fw: LPSF Poster
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Philip Berg wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>> Lets keep it two color and standard poster size in
the
> range
> > >> of 3
> > >> > >>>>>> feet by four feet. Right now we have 300 hundred
> budgeted.
> > >> How much
> > >> > >>>>>> do you extimate is your fee and how much for
printing
> 100
> > >> or so
> > >> > >>>>>> copies. with an estimate for more or less quantity.
We
> need
> > >> it by Gay
> > >> > >>>>>> Pride weekend in San Francisco. which is the third
> weekend
> > >> in June
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>> Thanks
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>> Phil.
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Um, well, I'm afraid your budget won't even cover the
> cost of
> > >> printing
> > >> > >>>>> posters that size. Not from any place I can find on
the
> Web.
> > >> You might
> > >> > >>>>> be able to find a local silk screen printer who will
do
> the
> > >> job for
> > >> > >>>>> less (I'm in Cheyenne, Wyoming, and the only place
here
> that
> > >> prints
> > >> > >>>>> that size is very expensive.). If you step down to
24" x
> 36"
> > >> there
> > >> > >>>>> are a few places that will do full-color in that
> quantity for
> > >> a little
> > >> > >>>>> under $300. But I'd want $200 for my fee (I spent six
> hours
> > >> getting
> > >> > >>>>> the art to its current stage and I estimate another
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