Hi Les,
Good to hear from you, it’s been a while! I saw that language, and personally feel like it could be plausibly interpreted either way with regard to the inclusion of party clubs, caucuses, and the like. The question for us seems to be how those making decisions at the San Francisco Elections Department will choose to interpret it, and I don’t know the answer to that. Presumably they’ll get back to me and let me know. Depending on the rationale they give, it may offer us some kind of opening to have some kind of Libertarian-named entity be listed as an opponent in future ballot arguments.
How have you been? Will we be seeing you at our meetings again?
Love & Liberty,
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August 19
Starchild:
I looked in the California Elections Code Sec 9170. Paragraph (a)(5) says that “a supporter or opponent shall not be listed if the supporter or opponent is a political party or the representative of a political party”. There is no indication of when this was added to the code. Perhaps it was not enforced in the past or maybe somebody recently discovered that the LP cannot be listed as a supporter or opponent.
I would guess that a name like “The Republican Liberty Caucus” would not have any problem because it does NOT include the word "Party"I don’t know what the justification for this rule, but it is in the law.Starchild
August 17 |
Thanks, Joe, for your thoughts. Do you know whether the rule has been interpreted to allow, or prohibit, the names of groups or clubs that include the names of political parties, such as the Chinese American Democratic Club, or the Republican Liberty Caucus, from appearing in this context?Love & Liberty,
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August 16
The San Francisco Department of Elections is apparently claiming we can’t list the “Libertarian Party of San Francisco” as a ballot argument signatory (see letter below). We’ve been doing it this way for years and it has never been a problem in the past. I’m not sure if this “challenge” originated w…
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August 17
Thanks, Joe, for your thoughts. Do you know whether the rule has been interpreted to allow, or prohibit, the names of groups or clubs that include the names of political parties, such as the Chinese American Democratic Club, or the Republican Liberty Caucus, from appearing in this context?Love & Liberty,
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August 17
Yes, that’s my understanding as well. We can still “sign” the arguments
in the voter information guide, for or against, as “Chair, Libertarian
Party of XXX” – nothing has changed about that.But there are different rules for this listing of supporters/opponents
ON THE BALLOT, which is a new thing entirely, only the last couple of
elections, at least for local measures. And one of those rules is
specifically that a political party can’t be listed. Why? I don’t know
for sure, but my guess is that somebody thought that since all the
government offices at the local level are “non-partisan” (and as part of
that candidates for County Supervisor, City Council, etc. are not
allowed to identify themselves on the ballot as being affiliated with
any political party), the same should be true for measures put forth by
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August 17
Thanks for your reply, Mark. I’m aware this has been common practice with other LP entities as well. It turns out I misunderstood the initial communication from the Elections Department, and they meant something different – if still rather ridiculous and unfair in my opinion. Please review the follow-up messages for more details.Love & Liberty,
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August 16
Starchild,We’ve had the LP name on hundreds of ballot measures in San Mateo, Santa
Clara, Santa Cruz, and San Benito counties for decades.And when Mimi was LPC Chair she had signed some 50+ measures around the
state.FYI…Mark
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Starchild https://forum.lpsf.org/u/starchild
August 16
Okay, I just spoke with Matt Selby at the Elections Department and got some clarification about his letter. He says the LPSF’s name can appear on our arguments in the Voter Handbook, just not on the actual ballots themselves. In response to my question, he said this is a new rule, which the state of California has been following for a couple cycles, but which they’ve now implemented at the local level.According to him, the actual ballots can only list my name as the individual who filed the argument, not the name of the party, and without any affiliation. I’m still a little unclear about where on the actual ballots the language to which this rule would apply appears, but he promised to email me a screenshot.
Love & Liberty,
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