Interesting article

Terry:

My thoughts are similar to yours here. I just posted it here because
of the local angle.

-Derek

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Floyd" <tlfloyd3@...>
wrote:

The author clearly failed to do much research for this article,

simply

assuming Stuart Alexander was a libertarian because he owned guns

and

thought the government was out to get him. As a Libertarian from

San

Leandro, I can confirm that Stuart Alexander was never a

Libertarian. I

should know, since I maintain the database for the East Bay

Libertarians,

and have voter registration records going back to the days long

before he

ran for Mayor. I even met Alexander a few times because he

regularly

invited elementary school classes to tour his sausage factory, and I
chaperoned two such field trips when my children were in the first

grade.

He was indeed a card carrying, rock solid Republican. He wouldn't

have

joined the Libertarian Party if I'd offered to pay him to do so.

He became somewhat unstable when he felt that the meat inspectors

were

harrassing him, and he began putting up some bizarre signs in the
neighborhood around the Linguisa Factory, warning the public that

the USDA

were watching his every move and were intent on shutting him down,

despite

the fact that no one had ever become sick as a result of his

family's

products. He wrote numerous letters to the local newspaper to tell

the

public his side of the story, warning citizens that the USDA wasn't
interested in protecting their health, only in shutting down his

business.

This went on for several months before the murders. The USDA

inspectors

were really just citing him for poor recordkeeping. He contended

that he

made linguisa following the same traditions that had been used in

his family

for generations, and the meat inspectors were forcing him to change

the way

he made sausage. In fact, the harshest violation that I ever

remember being

given to him was that he failed to maintain consistent temperature

records

for his refrigerators.

Of course, he was paranoid and went nuts when the business began to

fail,

and he blamed many of his problems on the government. But that

does not in

any way make him a Libertarian (or a libertarian). Clarke simply

uses this

example for an ad hominem justification to bolster his already weak
argument. For someone who fancies himself a witty wordsmith with a

solid

background for his attack on libertarians, Clarke strikes me as a

fairly

lazy and careless critic.

Terry Floyd

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Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Interesting article

Interesting, but factually sloppy at best. Here's the response I

was going

to post, but found out they're no longer accepting responses to

that entry:

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According to Chris Clarke, Stuart Alexander killed some government

meat

inspectors who were giving him a hard time, so he must have been a
Libertarian.

In fact, it appears Alexander was a Republican. The only reference

I could

find online about his political views, from one of the articles

about the

killings, reports:

"...his longtime business associate who worked for a sign company

that dealt

with Alexander testified that he and Alexander both shared

conservative,

Republican values including the tenet 'that you are responsible for

your own

actions'."

Yeah, being responsible for your own actions is arguably a

libertarian value

at least as much as a conservative one, but the fact is that the

guy's

friend described Alexander's overall values as conservative and

Republican,

not Libertarian. As a San Francisco Libertarian myself who used to

live in

the town next to San Leandro and knows a lot of East Bay

Libertarians, I can

say I never heard of the guy until this shooting incident. If he'd

been in

our party when he ran for mayor of SL in 1998, I think I would have

known

about it.

"Libertarian" with a capital-L, by the way, is a proper noun that

refers to

a member of the Libertarian Party. The capitalization of the letter

says

nothing about the strength of a person's libertarian views. Just

like

someone being a Democrat (capital-D) does not necessarily make them

a

greater believer in democracy. This is so obvious, I think just

about

everybody besides Chris Clarke who reads a newspaper occasionally
understands it.

Also, as a Libertarian Party activist who has often used the

Advocates for

Self-Government quiz (see http://www.self-gov.org to view it for

yourself),

I can tell you that no version of this quiz that I have ever seen

has any

question on it that bears the slightest resemblance to the wacky
multiple-choice offering that Chris pretends is standard

libertarian fare on

the Internet.

I'm guessing that if I started to research the historical claims

made here,

I'd find some of them to be equally dubious, but I'll leave that to

others.

Chris's credibility is already pretty well shot as far as I am

concerned.