Marcy wrote:
How about we libertarians emphasizing
voluntary personal responsibility, in what we eat,
At our social hours vegan pizza only.
Best, Michael
Dear Michael,
Under your and Starchild's influence I have finally indeed given up
most meat ("most", because my efforts are still work in progress).
Regards,
Marcy
Marcy wrote:
> How about we libertarians emphasizing
> voluntary personal responsibility, in what we eat,At our social hours vegan pizza only.
Best, Michael
From: Amarcy D. Berry
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:54 PM
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] India Issues Report Challenging Global
Warming Fears (Re: Climate Change Consens
Hi Starchild,
Thank you for the article. It is indeed time to admit that expecting
all nations to cut co2 in half (or whatever figure pops into
somebody's head) is disingenuous at best. But how about a commitment
to ameliorating what nature has dealt us by actions that will not
exacerbate the condition? I believe developing nations can do that as
well as developed ones. How about we libertarians emphasizing
voluntary personal responsibility, in what we eat, drive, use that
will accomplish such an amelioration?Marcy
>
> Some very welcome common sense from Indian leaders: "The plan's
> authors, the Prime Minister's Council on Climate Change, said India
> would rather save its people from poverty than global warming."
>
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
>
> "We appear to be overplaying this global warming issue as global
> warming is nothing new. It has happened in the past, not once but
> several times, giving rise to glacial-interglacial cycles. We appear
> to be now only in the middle of an interglacial cycle showing a
trend
> toward warming as warming and cooling are global and have occurred
on
> such a scale when humans had not appeared on the planet."
>
> -B.P. Radhakrishna, President of the Geological Society of India
>
>
> P.S. - Formatting will probably appear incorrectly for those of you
> reading this message on the LPSF list; sorry about that. My email
> software and Yahoogroups' formatting of emails to include
advertising
> do not mesh well; I can avoid this by sending messages in plain
text,
> but in this case that would have prevented many pre-existing links
in
> the forwarded material from being operative.
>
>
>
> > Excerpt: India issued its National Action Plan on Climate Change
in
> > June 2008 disputing man-made global warming fears and declared the
> > country of one billion people had no intention of stopping its
> > energy growth or cutting back its CO2 emissions. [.]The report
> > declared: "No firm link between the documented [climate] changes
> > described below and warming due to anthropogenic climate change
has
> > yet been established." The report made clear that India has no
> > plans to cut back energy usage. "It is obvious that India needs to
> > substantially increase its per capita energy consumption to
provide
> > a minimally acceptable level of wellbeing to its people. [.] India
> > is determined that its per capita greenhouse gas emissions will at
> > no point exceed that of developed countries."
> >
> > U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works?
> >
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> > 0fcb5569a
> >
> > July 9, 2008
> >
> >
> >
> > Contact: Marc_Morano@
> >
> > India Issues Report Challenging Global Warming Fears
> >
> > India Vows Not To Reduce Emissions
> >
> >
> >
> > The Washington Post reported on July 9 that India was "balking" at
> > the U.S approach to addressing CO2 emissions. India joined four
> > other nations to call for "much steeper reductions" for developed
> > nations.
> >
> > Fact: India issued its National Action Plan on Climate Change in
> > June 2008 disputing man-made global warming fears and declared the
> > country of one billion people had no intention of stopping its
> > energy growth or cutting back its CO2 emissions.
> >
> >
> >
> > An article in the Australian Herald on July 9 by Andrew Bolt,
> > noted: "The plan's authors, the Prime Minister's Council on
Climate
> > Change, said India would rather save its people from poverty than
> > global warming, and would not cut growth to cut gases."
> >
> >
> >
> > The report declared: "No firm link between the documented
[climate]
> > changes described below and warming due to anthropogenic climate
> > change has yet been established."
> >
> >
> >
> > The report made clear that India has no plans to cut back energy
> > usage. "It is obvious that India needs to substantially increase
> > its per capita energy consumption to provide a minimally
acceptable
> > level of wellbeing to its people. [.] India is determined that its
> > per capita greenhouse gas emissions will at no point exceed that
of
> > developed countries."
> >
> >
> >
> > The Australian Herald article noted that this declaration "means
> > India won't stop its per capita emissions (now at 1.02 tonnes)
from
> > growing until they match those of countries such as the US (now 20
> > tonnes)."
> >
> >
> >
> > The Australian Herald article continued: "What makes the Indian
> > report so interesting is that unlike our (Australia's) Ross
> > Garnaut, who just accepted the word of those scientists wailing we
> > faced doom, the Indian experts went to the trouble to check what
> > the climate was actually doing and why. Their conclusion? They
> > couldn't actually find anything bad in India that was caused by
man-
> > made warming. In fact, they couldn't find much change in the
> > climate at all. Yes, India's surface temperature over a century
had
> > inched up by 0.4 degrees, but there had been no change in trends
> > for large-scale droughts, floods, or rain: `The observed monsoon
> > rainfall at the all-India level does not show any significant
> > trend . . .' It even dismissed the panic Al Gore helped to whip up
> > about melting Himalayan glaciers: `While recession of some
glaciers
> > has occurred in some Himalayan regions in recent years, the trend
> > is not consistent across the entire mountain chain. It is,
> > accordingly, too early to establish long-term trends, or their
> > causation, in respect of which there are several hypotheses.'
> >
> >
> >
> > In addition, in January 2008, Indian engineer and economist
> > Rajendra Pachauri, who is the UN IPCC Chairman, announced that he
> > was going "to look into the apparent temperature plateau so far
> > this century." (LINK) [Note: Global temperatures have not risen
> > since 1998, according to UN data. See: 'Global Warming Will Stop,'
> > New Peer-Reviewed Study Says ]
> >
> >
> >
> > Sampling of Indian Scientists Who Question Man-Made Global Warming
> > Fears: ( See also: U.S. Senate Minority Report: "Over 400
Prominent
> > Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007" )
> >
> > One of India's leading geologists, B.P. Radhakrishna, President of
> > the Geological Society of India, expressed man-made global warming
> > skepticism in 2007. "We appear to be overplaying this global
> > warming issue as global warming is nothing new. It has happened in
> > the past, not once but several times, giving rise to glacial-
> > interglacial cycles. We appear to be now only in the middle of an
> > interglacial cycle showing a trend toward warming as warming and
> > cooling are global and have occurred on such a scale when humans
> > had not appeared on the planet," Radhakrishna wrote in an August
> > 23, 2007 essay. Radhakrishna said that there is doubt about
> > "whether the steps that are proposed to be taken to reduce carbon
> > emission will really bring down the carbon dioxide level in the
> > atmosphere and whether such attempts, even carried out on a global
> > scale, will produce the desired effect. Warming of the climate,
> > melting of glaciers, rise in sea levels and other marked changes
in
> > climate - these do not pose immediate threats and there is
besides,
> > no way of controlling such changes even if we want to. Exercises
at
> > mitigation of these likely disasters are, however, possible and
> > mankind, in all likelihood, will gradually adjust itself to the
> > changed conditions. This has happened before; men and animals have
> > moved to greener pastures and adapted themselves to the changed
> > situations," he added. (LINK)
> >
> > VK Raina, India's leading Glaciologist, questioned the assertion
> > that global warming was melting glaciers in India. "Claims of
> > global warming causing glacial melt in the Himalayas are based on
> > wrong assumptions," Raina told the Hindustan Times on February 11,
> > 2007. The paper continued, "Raina told the Hindustan Times that
> > out of 9,575 glaciers in India, till date, research has been
> > conducted only on about 50. Nearly 200 years data has shown that
> > nothing abnormal has occurred in any of these glaciers. It is
> > simple. The issue of glacial retreat is being sensationalized by a
> > few individuals, the septuagenarian Raina claimed. Throwing a
> > gauntlet to the alarmist, he said the issue should be debated
> > threadbare before drawing a conclusion." (LINK)
> >
> > Related Links:
> >
> > Cooling Underway: Global Temperature Continues to Drop in May -
> > June 4, 2008
> >
> >
> >
> > 'Global Warming Will Stop,' New Peer-Reviewed Study Says - April
> > 30, 2008
> >
> >
> >
> > Global COOLING Currently Under Way - February 27, 2008
> >
> >
> >
> > U.S Army Chief Scientist Says Sun, Not Man, Is Causing Climate
> > Change - June 3, 2008
> >
> >
> >
> > National Post: Global Cooling! 'Spotless Sun' prompts scientists
to
> > fear 'dramatic turn for the worse' - May 31, 2008
> >
> >
> >
> > U.S. Senate Minority Report: "Over 400 Prominent Scientists
> > Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007"
> >
> > # # #
> >
> >
> > Marc Morano
> >
> > Communications Director
> >
> > Senate Environment and Public Works Committee (EPW) Inhofe Staff
> >
> > 202-224-5762
> >
> > 202-224-5167 (fax)
> >
> > marc_morano@
> >
> > www.epw.senate.gov
>
>
> > The Climate Change Consensus is Softening
> >
> > A spate of new research and books claim we shouldn't yet make any
> > efforts to try to stop "climate change:"
> >
> > New book: The Deniers: The World Renowned Scientists Who Stood Up
> > Against Global Warming Hysteria, Political Persecution, and
> > Fraud**And those who are too fearful to do so
> >
> > New book: Climate Confusion: How Global Warming Hysteria Leads to
> > Bad Science, Pandering Politicians and Misguided Policies that
Hurt
> > the Poor
> >
> > 400+ prominent scientists dispute man-made global warming.
> >
> > In a new book, Lies and Traps in Global Warming Affairs, Top
> > Japanese ICPP(!) scientist now asserts that the International
Panel