Dear Eric;
If this shows up twice ignore one or the other - it seems the first
one disappeared into the ether - good old yahoo coming through.
On war and self-defense please read some of what Murray Rothbard had
to say about war and self-defense and the state. The url is from
lewrockwell.com and includes some of Rothbard's writings on the war
and the state and invasions.
http://tinyurl.com/2gdv46
Please read over what he had to say about wars of aggression and
invasions by the state. Then consider re-evaluating your positions
about war and the state and invasions.
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "eric dupree"
<dupreeconsults@...> wrote:
The number of dead due to war never seems acceptable. War is hell.
As America being a leading nation there are going to be wars. We must
answer to threats from leaders of other nations. We will protect our
allies and fight for freedom the world over.
The problem is we the majority elect that do and many voters have
no idea what it takes to topple someone like Sadam.
Without inspections I wasn't sure what Sadam was up to. Anyone that
rockets SCUDs on civilians needs to be removed. To stop Hitler many
Germans died as well as the Japanese bombings of civilians. It's a
price of war to nations that cause us to feel threatened.
We live a awesome life of safety as Americans. Do you ever wonder
how that comes to be? Because we will do whatever is necessary to
ensure it.
I know its hard on many that believe war in general is wrong. But
our constitution says "provide for the common defense." From 911 we
lost thousands and something had to be done.
> From: "Ron Getty" <tradergroupe@...>
> To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Re: I wanna rouse some rabble! - STOP
THE WAR RALLY
> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:13:47 -0800 (PST)
>
>
> Dear Eric;
>
> War Crimes? How about mass murder of the 30,000 - 100,000 plus
> Iraqi civilians? BTW: There were no weapons of mass destruction
> those had been destroyed in the early 1990's under the sanctions
> agreement - which Bush knew about.
>
> Ron Getty
> SF Libertarian
>
>
> From: eric dupree <dupreeconsults@...>
> To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 12:59:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Re: I wanna rouse some rabble! - STOP
> THE WAR RALLY
>
>
> We're taking a difference in opinion too far. Did he lie or did
> they happen to be wrong about the weapons. Well I was wrong. I
> believe Sudam would...after he sent mobile rockets on Israel.
> Everyone's forgetting Sudam had to be stopped.
> "We the people" got ourselves into this war and now we want to
> blame a single person. Why not hang in effigy the house members
> that support the pres. and all the citizens that voted for him.
But
> then some our friends and family might get caught in the fray.
> Now I maybe missing something. What War Crimes has Bush
committed?
> Besides not doing it the way others would have. So then what
would
> that had been how would the nay sayer have dealt with a menance
> bent on American hatred?
>
> > From: "Ron Getty" <tradergroupe@...>
> > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Re: I wanna rouse some rabble! -
STOP
> > THE WAR RALLY
> > Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:32:08 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >
> > Dear Eric;
> >
> > There are many Americans who would absolutely love it if the
> > International War Crimes Tribunal in the Hague tried Bush as a
> > war criminal. Hanging or burning in effigy has been for
literally
> > hundreds of years a way for the peoples to express their
opinions
> > quite graphically as to what they think of their Fearless
> > Leaders. This I might add included the Colonists before the
> > Revolutionary War who burned King George III in effigy and
hanged
> > him in effigy at several different locations in several
different
> > colonies.
> >
> > Ron Getty
> > SF Libertarian
> >
> >
> > From: eric dupree <dupreeconsults@...>
> > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 12:03:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Re: I wanna rouse some rabble! -
STOP
> > THE WAR RALLY
> >
> >
> > Hanging or burning our president in reality is not what most of
> > us want. So doing so in effigy would be silly. Because of
> > disagreement we don't kill Americans. " Will the John Wilkes
> > Booth hier apparent please identify themselves?
> > I do support the right to protest as ones sees fit, but they
> > should be aware of the fact they're attempting to draw support
> > not just attention!
> > > From: "Ron Getty" <tradergroupe@...>
> > > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Re: I wanna rouse some rabble! -
> > STOP > THE WAR RALLY
> > > Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:34:06 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Marcy;
> > >
> > > Okie Dokie a peaceful protest - so then how about the
opposite
> > of > a violent effigy buring protest - although how burning an
> > effigy > is something violent -
> > >
> > > do a silent march and protest - just hundreds of thousands of
> > peace loving protestors - quietly marching and gathering in
front
> > > of the federal building by the hundreds of thousands and not
> > saying a word - just standing there in silent protest - just a
> > solid block of humanity and no wordy speeches - just the sound
of
> > > silence???
> > >
> > > Ron Getty
> > > SF Libertarian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Amarcy D. Berry <amarcyb@...>
> > > To: lpsf-discuss@...m
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 10:09:18 PM
> > > Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: I wanna rouse some rabble! - STOP
THE WAR RALLY
> > >
> > >
> > > Ooops my first message got botched up; so here goes again.
> > >
> > > Dear Ron,
> > >
> > > Thank you for the suggestion of slash and burn! However, I
think the
> > > Stop Funding the War Coalition voted from the start to have a
> > > peaceful rally, such as "the people peaceably to assemble,
and to
> > > petition the government for a redress of grievances." I
supposed the
> > > idea is to walk the walk; if you call for peace, it would
seem to me
> > > strange to do it through any kind of violence. But, that's
just my
> > > opinion.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Marcy
> > >
> > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Amarcy D. Berry"
<amarcyb@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty
<tradergroupe@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Everyone;
> > > > > > For those of you involved in the Stop The War Rally - >
> > here's > a forwarded message from Aster Francesca with a
thought
> > > for > consideration as the capper for the Stop The War Rally
> > event -
> > > > > > Burn his royal highness King George the II in effigy!!!
> > > > > That'll certainly get the attention of the FBI and
Homeland
> > > > Security and Secret Service Presidential Protection Detail
> > and > > Government Office Building Polizei - let the news media
> > know in > > advance what you are planning on doing - as this is
> > the type of > > eye candy they just love for the in-depth 10
> > second news bites > > for 5-6-
> > > 7-
> > > > 9-10-11. > > BTW: Going to have a band there playing a
dirge
> > or > > at least a trumpeter playing Taps for all the fallen
dead
> > both > > military and civilian? How about a dragon dance to
scare
> > away > the > evils of war followed by the traditional
firecracker
> > ball > to > really blast away
> > > the
> > > > demons of war? > > BTW: Will there be lots of colorful
> > banners? > > > > Ron Getty
> > > > > SF Libertarian
> > > > > From: Aster Francesca <ms_shiris@>
> > > > > To: Salon_Liberty@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:27:58 PM
> > > > > Subject: {Salon Liberty} I wanna rouse some rabble!
> > > > > > > A very interesting peice from Charles Johnson's site
on
> > > the > American Revolution:
> > > > > http://radgeek.com/gt/2007/02/24/over_my
> > > > > Hey, why doesn't someone (say, the anti-war movement) get
> > > together
> > > > and very publically hang George II* in effigy- perhaps in a
> > > deliberately Colonial style?
> > > > > If your not-quite-voiced answer is: "I'm afraid what
would
> > > > happen to me if I did so", then you have discovered the
> > reason > > someone
> > > needs
> > > > to do it, before your worried fear is certain fact.
> > > > > Many, many people I know from friends to colleagues to >
> > clients > to random people I meet in the supermarket are >
> > beginning to > conclude they truly do need to worry. All of >
> > these people would > understand the meaning of a public burning
> > instantly and would > all come away from hearing of one that
much
> > > more consciously > radical.
> > > > > I know some of you are involved in the anti-war
movement.
> > > Has > anyone thought of this?
> > > > > love and strife,
> > > > > Aster Francesca {)(*)(}
> > > > > * Or why don'twe getinthe habit of protesting I wannother
> > > officials
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