How it can be done - Natl. Hip Hop Political Convention a potential model for future LP gatherings

This brings up an important question...

Politically speaking, is there strength in numbers (of people), or is there
strength in dollars?

As Chris has pointed out more than once, if numbers of paid members
mattered, we'd no longer be a third party. By far, the LP has more paid
members than the Republican Party. And I dare say we have just as many
hard-working activists willing to table, attend conventions, etc.

But I think the hard lesson we've learned and are continuing to learn is
that the way to win votes, from old and young alike, is through paid
advertisements. It's sad, but there's a strong correlation between ad
dollars spent and votes received, no matter what the candidate says.
(Starchild, ask Aaron Russo if you don't believe me. He'll tell you that,
in politics, style always beats substance.)

So, if strength is in dollars when it comes to politics, how do we get more
dollars?

Again, the sad reality is by putting people who have lots of dollars in a
big hotel with a 50 story atrium with artwork suspended from the ceiling.
As dull and exclusive (as Starchild thinks) or as wasteful (as I think) such
ventures may be, they do, in fact, generate more ad dollars for the Party
than ten times as many such conventions held at college campuses or Motel 6
type venues.

Those who were in on the emails leading up to the Carnelian Room event know
that I wanted the dinner to be $75 a person (breaking even for the price of
dinner plus share of room rental), with the request that all attendees bring
their checkbook for their "real" donation. But more experienced people who
have run campaigns before wisely increased the dinner price to $250 and
still asked people to bring their checkbooks. And the Ds and Rs even have
the balls to charge $2000 for barbecue in some farmer's field, much less
gourmet delights while looking down at the top of the Transamerica pyramid.
Such is the reality of modern politics. Big money buys results. We don't
like it, but denying this reality is like denying a law of physics -- we may
feel superior thinking we can hover in the air ("yogic flying" as our
friends in the Natural Law Party call it), but the reality is that we're
still just hopping around on the floor with our legs crossed.

Wanna do a youth outreach event like the hip hop convention? Fine. Great
idea. Want to transform events that are not targeted towards youth (such as
national conventions) into hip hop style events? Nope. Terrible idea.
Youth outreach is important, so a fraction of LP events should be as
Starchild described, but the majority of events are absolutely on the right
track -- bigger, better, and, yes, more expensive every election cycle. Not
because we want to imitate the Ds and Rs, but because those types of events
are what generate the ad dollars (which is why the Ds and Rs do their events
that way in the first place).

My two cents,

Rob

Thank you to Rob for his usual thoughtful analysis of situations. I
used to think that dedicated activism was all that was necessary for
the LP to succeed (described as being known by other than just us),
but now I am ready to admit that money is essential. My daughter is
working for the Kerry campaign, where luxury rules...and I do *not*
mean, as Starchild would like to have it, people lying around in
bathrobes by the lagoon being fed grapes by belly dancers (did I get
that right, Starchild?). We need to convince people who live in nice
homes (that leaves me out right away), or who have access to nice
places (country clubs, and the like) to host wine and cheese
fundraisers. Anyone knows anybody like that?

Marcy

--- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Power" <robpower@r...>
wrote:

This brings up an important question...

Politically speaking, is there strength in numbers (of people), or

is there

strength in dollars?

As Chris has pointed out more than once, if numbers of paid members
mattered, we'd no longer be a third party. By far, the LP has more

paid

members than the Republican Party. And I dare say we have just as

many

hard-working activists willing to table, attend conventions, etc.

But I think the hard lesson we've learned and are continuing to

learn is

that the way to win votes, from old and young alike, is through paid
advertisements. It's sad, but there's a strong correlation between

ad

dollars spent and votes received, no matter what the candidate says.
(Starchild, ask Aaron Russo if you don't believe me. He'll tell

you that,

in politics, style always beats substance.)

So, if strength is in dollars when it comes to politics, how do we

get more

dollars?

Again, the sad reality is by putting people who have lots of

dollars in a

big hotel with a 50 story atrium with artwork suspended from the

ceiling.

As dull and exclusive (as Starchild thinks) or as wasteful (as I

think) such

ventures may be, they do, in fact, generate more ad dollars for the

Party

than ten times as many such conventions held at college campuses or

Motel 6

type venues.

Those who were in on the emails leading up to the Carnelian Room

event know

that I wanted the dinner to be $75 a person (breaking even for the

price of

dinner plus share of room rental), with the request that all

attendees bring

their checkbook for their "real" donation. But more experienced

people who

have run campaigns before wisely increased the dinner price to $250

and

still asked people to bring their checkbooks. And the Ds and Rs

even have

the balls to charge $2000 for barbecue in some farmer's field, much

less

gourmet delights while looking down at the top of the Transamerica

pyramid.

Such is the reality of modern politics. Big money buys results.

We don't

like it, but denying this reality is like denying a law of physics -

- we may

feel superior thinking we can hover in the air ("yogic flying" as

our

friends in the Natural Law Party call it), but the reality is that

we're

still just hopping around on the floor with our legs crossed.

Wanna do a youth outreach event like the hip hop convention?

Fine. Great

idea. Want to transform events that are not targeted towards youth

(such as

national conventions) into hip hop style events? Nope. Terrible

idea.

Youth outreach is important, so a fraction of LP events should be as
Starchild described, but the majority of events are absolutely on

the right

track -- bigger, better, and, yes, more expensive every election

cycle. Not

because we want to imitate the Ds and Rs, but because those types

of events

are what generate the ad dollars (which is why the Ds and Rs do

their events