LP Chair Geoff Neale announced to the LNC a little while back that he is going to be making appointments to the Convention Oversight Committee, and solicited volunteers to serve on this committee. I sent him the following on May 28 letting him know that I am interested:
I wanted to let you know that I am volunteering to serve on the Convention Oversight Committee, if you weren't already aware of my interest in doing so. After the Bylaws and Platform committees, it is the committee on which I am most interested in serving.
Some possibly relevant qualifications I possess to serve on this committee are as follows:
• I have attended every national convention, and every California state LP convention save one, since I became involved in the Libertarian Party around 1992
• I helped organize our 2007 California state LP convention under the leadership of Terry Floyd
• In keeping with the wishes of a majority of delegates who weighed in on the issue at our recent convention, I am strongly against charging floor fees to delegates who simply wish to take part in our convention business sessions
• As a champion of sunshine and openness, I will strive to ensure that information gained during the course of convention planning during this committee's term is preserved for posterity, so that future LP convention planners can benefit from our accumulated experience
• I am a creative thinker who will bring fresh ideas to the committee and advocate for a wider range of convention possibilities, including those articulated in the LP Convention Manifesto document I've authored*
When I followed up a while after that, he thanked me for volunteering, and said that he is waiting and hoping there will be a surplus of volunteers, but was non-committal as far as whether or not he would be interested in appointing me.
I believe that our conventions are crucial in determining the culture, direction, etc., of our party, and would like the opportunity to be on this committee in order to influence the type of gatherings that we hold. So if anyone here is willing to lobby Geoff (chair@...) in support of appointing me to this position, I'd appreciate it. Please copy me on any such messages you send unless you don't wish to for some reason.
Right now, non-LNC members are unfortunately heavily restricted from serving on most LNC committees (see LNC Policy Manual, page 15 - https://www.lp.org/files/LNC%20Policy%20Manual-Adopted%202012-05-02.pdf ). However if there are any committees that YOU are interested in serving on, please let me know, even if it's a committee on which non-LNC members are not currently allowed to serve. The more people who express interest in serving but are considered ineligible to do so, the greater the impetus to change the rules to allow more participation from ordinary party members.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
P.S. - I also encourage everyone to subscribe to the the LNCDiscussPublic@yahoogroups.com if you haven't already done so, where I have been posting messages forwarded from the Libertarian National Committee list to which ordinary LP members are not allowed to subscribe. I believe that the visible show of support for openness and transparency represented by a large number of subscribers to LNCDiscussPublic may help influence LNC members' views and practices on the topic.
Furthermore, if you want to be "in the loop" and able to effectively help in the fight to keep the Libertarian Party radical, bottom-up, and in accord with the Five Key Values, it's good to try to keep up with what the LNC is doing.
If you don't have time to read all the messages, George Phillies has started providing a very helpful service by listing the author of each message and summarizing its contents, at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpusmisc/ . I've copied below the summaries that he has posted so far. If anyone is interested in going through and cleaning up typos and expanding on or correcting some of the entries where it seems appropriate, this could be a valuable service to party members trying to get a handle on the correspondence or looking back later for some important detail. The message numbers refer to messages on the LNCDiscussPublic list, and encompass traffic on the LNC list from May 18 through June 7.
1 - test message
2 - Starchild, why he is doing this
3 - More Starchild why he is doing this
4 - Redpath When can we meet in Nov/Dec
5 - Lark on Meeting Dates
6 - Lieberman reminding people that I regularly get list forwards
7 - Wiener, when we can meet near year's end
8 - Jillian Mack, when we can meet near year's end
9 - Pojunis - when we can meet near year's end
10 - Root, when we can meet near year's end
11 - Cloud, when we can meet near year's end 3 mtgs a year is good
12 Myers, when we can meet near year's end
13 Lieberman, claiming that the half-day assemblies are Meetings, and that the
whole thing is a "Session:"
14 Kirkland, when we can meet near year's end
15 Blau when we can meet near year's end
16 Pojunis, we need an ad hoc committee to interface with the Johnson campaign
17 Myers we need an ad hoc committee to interface with the Johnson campaign
18 Neale "I am on vacation"
19 Redpath, when we can meet near year's end three meetings is enough
20 Kirkland I agree with 19
21 Visek we got press coverage
22 Vohra we need an ad hoc committee to interface with the Johnson campaign
23 Kraus: ExComm Meeting TOnight
24 Lieberman We had ballot access at the end of the last three PResidential
elections in 25, 26, 27 states
25 Kraus - technical problem with conference call
26 Bennet - Technical solution with conference call
27 Redpath - technical solution with conference call
28 Redpath - technical solution with conference call
29 Kraus- technical solution with conference call
30 Redpath - technical solution with conference call
31 Tomasso - a fall pre-election meeting would be useful
32 Myers - An hoc committee as alternative to meeting
33 Hagan - when we can meet near year's end
34 Bennett - Minutes of 5/6 and 5/9 meetings, but this is only the announcement.
The minutes have apparently been lossy in the forwards.
35 Goldstein - Is someone saying that there should be no contract with the
Johnson campaign? The LNC had expected to get a contract.
36 Neale - No, there will be a written contract with Johnson
37 Sam Thanks for clarifying that LNC will have a written contract with the
Johnson campaign
38 Blau We whould have written contracts
39 Some LNC Discuss messages are showing up in mailboxes twice
40 Kirkland Oppose September meeting
41 Some LNC Discuss messages are showing up in mailboxes twice
42 Technical Correction to May 6 minutes
43 September meeting would be the Myers-Vohra ad hoc group
44 Lark, minor tuning of minutes presentation. The May 6 minutes somewhat
interruped by tuning details are included. The APRC will be Mr. Vohra, Mr
Wrights, Mr Myers, Mr Wiener and Ms Bennett.
45 Neale "We cannot afford to disregard that there is a lot of dissatisfaction
among our members."
46 Neale November meeting date
47 Myers WORTH READING proposals on a list of issues
48 Lieberman - may I forward 47 to other LP memebrs
49 Myers - Isn't the entire LNC getting this
50 Lark - WORTH READING proposes substantial actions for the LNC to perform in
this cycle
51 Lieberman, answering 49, I meant send to IPR
52 Myers answering 51 yes, please do
53 appears to duplicate 50
54 Electronic voting at convention
55 Neale Saratoga Neale finds obscurity and directs Carla Howell to take no
further action without LNC guidance.
56 Vohra What we should do with our brochures
57 Liebernan answering 52 Thank you
58 Tomasso - about Freedom Fest: what ahve we gotten out of it in the past
59 Tomasso - I will help upgrading literature
60 Goldstein - didn;t we try electronic voting in St Louis for something?
61 Vohra Electornic voting might get us through more platform changes
62 Goldstein - please leave us our current region number; we have literature
that uses it
63 Myers, answering Visek. Visek claims there were no secret votes. Myers says
she is wrong "there were votes to prevent a roll call vote".
64 Myers sorry for typos
65 regions that did not change should keep platform number
66 Neale claims elections are not motions.
67 Myers: If we elect a new LNC member, it should be by open vote.
68 Lieberman We should elect the best regardless of whether they are left or
right
69 Visek Please, more then 24 hour notice of teleconference
70 Blau, agrees with Visek
71 Myers We should have transparency in electing new LNC members
72 Lieberman Argues that votes for filling vacancies are appropriately by secret
ballot
73 Myers we represent other people they should know what we did for them
74 Root WORTH READING claims convention was stolen, purchased "And I wonder how
the entire Libertarian nation will feel about that kind of conduct when they
find out?"
75 Myers WORTH READING "Wayne, holy cow, you guys hold secret meetings to
practice the LNC meeting chaired by Aaron Starr and I am the crazy one?"
76 Lieberman No open ballots without a bylaws change
77 Spencer I was hoping that the Cloud appear for civility would last a week
78 Hagan Agrees with Spencer
79 Root to Myers You bought the convention IMPORTANT QUOTE: "I wasn't ALLOWED to
give a single speech because I wouldn't sign a pledge to not run. While others
elected to LNC got MULTIPLE speaking slots and then ran. "
80 Myers answering Lieberman 76
81 Redpath - Illinois money was urgent, this little notice on teleconference
82 Videk - the listed topic of the phone call was Johnson canpaign liason
83 Myers - By helping people get to NatCon, Sparkman did something good
84 Root -- there was no revolution at NatCon, just the Vegas purchase "That
knowledge will now taint every move, every vote, every decision by this LNC."
85 Ryan - I support Wayne on this one.
86 Wrights - isn't paying people's costs being advocated by both sides?
87 Mack - Region number discussion
88 Goldstein Region number discussion
89 Blau Region number discussion
90 Pojunis - Region number discussion
91 Myers agrees to drop topic
92 Pojunis - have our disagreements elsewhere
93 Goldstein - Region Number Discussion
94 Mack - cause of duplicate messages
95 Goldstein Region number discussion
96 Pojunis Region Number Discussion
97 Schrade - spelling issue
98 Wiener Region number discussion
99 Mack - Let's be nice to each other; opposite wastes time
100 Neale - VERY DEFINITELY WORTH READING My time at the convention and
experience reaching it; the Texas Benefactor
101 Kirkland Region Number
102 Lark Region Number Discussion
103 Starchild Floor fees, the Texas benefactor
104 Pojunis Region number discussion
105 Starchild WORTH READING Comments on Lark proposals for substantial
activities
106 Tomasso electronic voting at National conventions
107 Cloud very well-written urging of Myers and Root to stop shooting at each
other
108 Starchild - delegates who were unseated by their delegation chair for voting
the wrong way Note at bottom old Lieberman message on delegate seating and
support, not separately forwarded.
109 Starchild in response to Neale on floor fees. The Neale message is #115
110 Mack Region Number Discussion
111 Starchild Region number formation
112 Tomasso Region Number formation
113 Vohra opposing floor fees
114 Vohra LNC votes should be public
115 Neale choices on floor fees. Neale advocates the position I had previously
taken: take it out of dues
116 Lieberman - what if state party members who are not national party members
are delegates?
117 Olsen Why are we having an EC meeting with under a day's notice
118 Wrights Discuss contract negotiations with Johnson
119 Goldstein This topic is important
120 Various, later: EC actually discussed spending money on Ballot Access
121 Olsen Thanks Wrights #118
122 Various - Complained that agenda of EC meeting was incorrect
123 Pojunis WORTH READING substantive discussion related to Myers concrete
proposals
124 Lieberman - discusses Texas Benefactor but notes delegates being unseated
for voting the wrong way
125 LNCPublicDiscuss list management note
126 Lieberman Gray rally announcement
127 Ryan role calls waste time
128 Unclear
129 Vohra list of groups to which we might do outreach
130 Lieberman More on floor fees
131 Ryan party membership dues
132 Vohra here is a nice trifold (he links to his web site)
133 Starchild is surprised we paid $30,000 to rent the sound system for NatCon
-- I do not see where the number came from, though
134 Lieberman, defending floor fees
135 COMMENT FROM LIST READER, NOT LNC
136 Starchild - once again blasting subsidizing delegates who want conventions
in luxury hotels.
137 Starchild - a path to speeding 'roll call' votes
138 Starchild - amplifying on Vohra idea #129
139 Visek - issues related to floor fees
140 Myers - excessive roll calls annoying, but we should be transparent
141 Lieberman left vs right outreach, complaining we have few elected public
officials
142 Vohra -- message very similar to 129
143 Neale - You can lose a lot of battles and still win the war
144 Lieberman - I would rather win (no substantial proposal)
145 Lieberman - discusses alternative floor fees for states not people
146 Neale come up with more options, then ask for membership opinion
147 Wiener substantive votes should be recorded, elections should not
148 Vohra What approvals do we need to start working on new literature
149 Myers - election votes should be recorded.
150 Wrights (answering #148) No permissions needed; get on with it.
151 Norm Olsen - discuss region numbers
152 Kirkland - Discuss region numbers
153 Olsen - Benefactors paying NatCon expenses
154 Neale - Only Texans can represent Texas
155 Wiener - multiple LNC-discuss lists
156 Lieberman - floor fees
157 Wrights - floor fees - evidence for claim in 156
158 Olsen And under the condition deprecated in 156 the convention made money
159 Lieberman - answers 157 with data
160 Lieberman - floor fees
161 Cloud - floor fees
162 Olsen- Floor fees
163 Lieberman - Green Convention Floor fees
164 Blau Source for $30,000 for audiovisual fees
165 Vohra Business sessions and fancy fundraisers can be in different places
166 Starchild - fundraiser in cheap sites - Burning Man Festival - we do not
need fancy hotels
167 Root "Starchild, We are indeed talking about different revolutions...mine
is called the Tea Party and it is about taxes and spending. "
168 Myers - Roots publicity is not working
169 Bennett whatever region numbers you want
170 Lieberman - opposes conventions over 4th of July or Memorial day
171 Vohra - pursue tea parties and pursue liberty groups
172 WORTH READING Root - last i checked Ron Paul was a fiscal conservative...and
for the most part a social conservative too...and VERY religious Christian...and
on immigration very much a conservative who wants to seal the border -- Ron Paul
and I are in sync about 80%...and Rand and I about 95%.
173 Root I deal with the press successfully
174 Myers - Our platform is virtually the same as Ron Paul's [Phillies aside:
No, Wayne has this one completely right.]
175 Vohra We should not misrepresent the LP
176 Neale Another floor fee solution.
177 Neale revolutions did not start in fancy hotels, but rich people paid for
ours
178 WORTH READING Starchild commends Root for his principled Honesty in 172 and
says nice things about him, mostly, but sugegsts he is a tea partier not a
libertarian
179 Ryan agrees with 177
180 Ryan need to work on supporting convention
181 Pojunis deprecates starchild letter 178
182 Neale These discussions illuminate how people think
183 Pojunis his sig needs updating
184 Root I got this commentary in the Washington Times
185 Starchild says more nice things about Wayne
186 Root is nice to Starchild and argues for even bigger tent
187 Mattson forwards policy manual to Bennett
188 Neale Restructure LNC email lists?
189 Kraus forward April membership report as attachment, which is eaten by
Yahoogroups
190 Myers - ROn Paul movement works because it stands for somethign
100 Neale - VERY DEFINITELY WORTH READING My time at the convention and
experience reaching it; the Texas Benefactor
101 Kirkland Region Number
102 Lark Region Number Discussion
103 Starchild Floor fees, the Texas benefactor
104 Pojunis Region number discussion
105 Starchild WORTH READING Comments on Lark proposals for substantial
activities
106 Tomasso electronic voting at National conventions
107 Cloud very well-written urging of Myers and Root to stop shooting at each
other
108 Starchild - delegates who were unseated by their delegation chair for voting
the wrong way Note at bottom old Lieberman message on delegate seating and
support, not separately forwarded.
109 Starchild in response to Neale on floor fees. The Neale message is #115
110 Mack Region Number Discussion
111 Starchild Region number formation
112 Tomasso Region Number formation
113 Vohra opposing floor fees
114 Vohra LNC votes should be public
115 Neale choices on floor fees. Neale advocates the position I had previously
taken: take it out of dues
116 Lieberman - what if state party members who are not national party members
are delegates?
117 Olsen Why are we having an EC meeting with under a day's notice
118 Wrights Discuss contract negotiations with Johnson
119 Goldstein This topic is important
120 Various, later: EC actually discussed spending money on Ballot Access
121 Olsen Thanks Wrights #118
122 Various - Complained that agenda of EC meeting was incorrect
123 Pojunis WORTH READING substantive discussion related to Myers concrete
proposals
124 Lieberman - discusses Texas Benefactor but notes delegates being unseated
for voting the wrong way
125 LNCPublicDiscuss list management note
126 Lieberman Gray rally announcement
127 Ryan role calls waste time
128 Unclear
129 Vohra list of groups to which we might do outreach
130 Lieberman More on floor fees
131 Ryan party membership dues
132 Vohra here is a nice trifold (he links to his web site)
133 Starchild is surprised we paid $30,000 to rent the sound system for NatCon
-- I do not see where the number came from, though
134 Lieberman, defending floor fees
135 COMMENT FROM LIST READER, NOT LNC
136 Starchild - once again blasting subsidizing delegates who want conventions
in luxury hotels.
137 Starchild - a path to speeding 'roll call' votes
138 Starchild - amplifying on Vohra idea #129
139 Visek - issues related to floor fees
140 Myers - excessive roll calls annoying, but we should be transparent
141 Lieberman left vs right outreach, complaining we have few elected public
officials
142 Vohra -- message very similar to 129
143 Neale - You can lose a lot of battles and still win the war
144 Lieberman - I would rather win (no substantial proposal)
145 Lieberman - discusses alternative floor fees for states not people
146 Neale come up with more options, then ask for membership opinion
147 Wiener substantive votes should be recorded, elections should not
148 Vohra What approvals do we need to start working on new literature
149 Myers - election votes should be recorded.
150 Wrights (answering #148) No permissions needed; get on with it.
151 Norm Olsen - discuss region numbers
152 Kirkland - Discuss region numbers
153 Olsen - Benefactors paying NatCon expenses
154 Neale - Only Texans can represent Texas
155 Wiener - multiple LNC-discuss lists
156 Lieberman - floor fees
157 Wrights - floor fees - evidence for claim in 156
158 Olsen And under the condition deprecated in 156 the convention made money
159 Lieberman - answers 157 with data
160 Lieberman - floor fees
161 Cloud - floor fees
162 Olsen- Floor fees
163 Lieberman - Green Convention Floor fees
164 Blau Source for $30,000 for audiovisual fees
165 Vohra Business sessions and fancy fundraisers can be in different places
166 Starchild - fundraiser in cheap sites - Burning Man Festival - we do not
need fancy hotels
167 Root "Starchild, We are indeed talking about different revolutions...mine
is called the Tea Party and it is about taxes and spending. "
168 Myers - Roots publicity is not working
169 Bennett whatever region numbers you want
170 Lieberman - opposes conventions over 4th of July or Memorial day
171 Vohra - pursue tea parties and pursue liberty groups
172 WORTH READING Root - last i checked Ron Paul was a fiscal conservative...and
for the most part a social conservative too...and VERY religious Christian...and
on immigration very much a conservative who wants to seal the border -- Ron Paul
and I are in sync about 80%...and Rand and I about 95%.
173 Root I deal with the press successfully
174 Myers - Our platform is virtually the same as Ron Paul's [Phillies aside:
No, Wayne has this one completely right.]
175 Vohra We should not misrepresent the LP
176 Neale Another floor fee solution.
177 Neale revolutions did not start in fancy hotels, but rich people paid for
ours
178 WORTH READING Starchild commends Root for his principled Honesty in 172 and
says nice things about him, mostly, but sugegsts he is a tea partier not a
libertarian
179 Ryan agrees with 177
180 Ryan need to work on supporting convention
181 Pojunis deprecates starchild letter 178
182 Neale These discussions illuminate how people think
183 Pojunis his sig needs updating
184 Root I got this commentary in the Washington Times
185 Starchild says more nice things about Wayne
186 Root is nice to Starchild and argues for even bigger tent
187 Mattson forwards policy manual to Bennett
188 Neale Restructure LNC email lists?
189 Kraus forward April membership report as attachment, which is eaten by
Yahoogroups
190 Myers - ROn Paul movement works because it stands for something
191 - Olsen - there should be no floor fee, and the members said so
192 - Kraus - New Bylaws up
193 - Kraus - New Platform Up
194 - Neale appoints Cloud as liason with Johnson campaign
195 - Neale - Redpath is handling ballot access liason
196 - Myers - Interaction with Johnson
197 - Kraus - Information of July LNC meeting site
198 - Starchild - defense of some libertarian ideas
199 - Olsen - cost of convention
200 - Kraus information on convention costs vs. St Louis
201 - Neale comment on forming a committee
202 - Bennett - why hotel was expensive - last LNC made serious errors on
conventions
203 - Wiener LNC Meeting July rooms
204 - Kraus - limitations on internet contacts at next LNC meeting
205 - Bennett - complains on how people used mikes at NatCon
206 - Blau - how many elected Libertarians and candidates attended public office
207 - Visek - opposing convention over Memorial Day
208 - Lieberman - starts answer to Blau 206
209 - Blau count of candidates
210 - Lieberman - need more information
211 - Lieberman - opposing holiday weekend
212 - email forwarded from member alleging grammatical error in platform
213 - Vohra no error here
214 - Root - where I did outreach today
215 - Root - I get invited back "My #1 principle is to make sure people that
hear me...like me."
216 - Wrights - self-congratulation bloats list
217 - Lieberman - defends Root
218 - Neale - LNC members way send Carla draft statements for LP.org but not
post directly
219 - matches 218
220 - Wiener congratulates Root on interview
221 - Tomasso - I asked 15 states, and none have a floor fee
222 - Lieberman - defends floor fee
223 - Starchild - disagrees with Lieberman
224 - Starchild - disagrees with Lieberman
225 - Lieberman I do not have the intelligence to get into a debate on the above
topic
226 - Lieberman - more gold packages this year
227 - Starchild - disagrees with Lieberman
228 - Lieberman - disagrees with Starchild
229 - Tomasso - amenity fee
230 - Tomasso - left fond of askign for money
231 - Lieberman - amenity fee
232 - Lieberman - how the Greens do it
233 - Blau - we should start raising money for the convention costs fee
234 - Lieberman -- attacks Starchild
235 - Starchild - Lieberman does not understand how the Greens are run
236 - Root - LNC sends too many emails to itself
237 - Starchild - disagrees with lieberman
238 - Blau - convention with delegate telepresence as an idea
239 - Starchild - party should circulate info on campground etc availability
near NatCOn
240 - Cloud - WORTH READING -- comments on running Presidential campaign
241 - Starchild - agrees with Root
242 - Starchild - comment on Blau 238
243 - Vohra - fee for chair, not for entrance
244 - Tomasso people happy with status quo are less likely to want change
245 - Mattson WORTH READING (sent to all LNC members directly) - convention
space situation, current outcome
246 - Neale - opposing mid-Fall LNC meeting
247 - Neale Policy manual needs fixing via incrementalism.
248 - Lieberman - defends policy manual
249 - Wrights - appointed Committees do not carry over
250 - Lieberman - speaks favorably of past audit committee
251 - Lieberman - claiming that the Audit Committee (Aaron Starr, chair) should
have access to the accounting database
252 - Wiener - we ought to make a decision on the 2016 convention soon, and has
opinions on site selection
253 - Neale - The New Visions Committee; there seems to be no record of what it
does.
254 - Lieberman - LNC vote to hand over data base to Aaron Starr.
255 - Wiener - trivial correction on convention pricing
256 - Neale - WORTHY OF NOTE I hereby vacate the Audit and Convention Oversight
committees.We have committees with no description in the policy manual.
257 - Starchild - policy manual is on LP.org, but should be made visible.
Committee descriptions should be written up. authority should stay with elected
LNC.
258 - Vohra - using static images to spread our message
259 - Starchild - Builds on Vohra 258 re using images
260 - Root - the only way to reach voters is to talk about jobs and economic
issues
261 - Myers - Jobs are worthless as an issue
262 - Starchild - Wyane, if people don;t care about our social issues, you
don;t have to be afaid to take Libertarian stands on them
263 - Vohra - didn't want debate
264 - Starchild - we are winning on social issues
265 - Root - here is why I am following the path I do
266 - Myers - Wayne, your outreach is a failure, you are harming the party, we
need a new go-to guy
267 - Root -- defends himself
268 - Myers - we need to settle issues or we will ahve two more years of little
growth
269 - Lieberman - unfair to blame Wayne
270 - Neale to Starchild - your ideas are good; need grunt work to turn them
into operationa objects
271 - Lieberman - issues on hotels for 2016
272 - SERIES WORTH FOLLOWING ON GOVERNANCE ISSUES Neale to Starchild - you need
a motion; until then I will appoint the COC
273 - Starchild - advances in Neale direction
274 - Wrights - no delegates got in for free - they paid with their dues
275 - Lieberman - libertarianpeacenik published something from LNC Discuss [a
Root-Starchild exchange]
276 - Starchild - Lieberman was right for the wrong reasons
277 - Wiener - material noted in 275 came froma 'not confidential' thread, but
urges other amterial be kept secret
278 - Starchild - some messages in last seven are out of sequence
279 - Myers - should focus on 'fed up' not 'libertarian'
280 - Neale - I need to appoint COC members
281 - Wrights - We should explore all paths to reach voters
282 - Neale - is the issue debate here being constructive? I could shut this
list down
283 - Starchild DISCUSSION ON USE OF THE YAHOOGROUP
284 - Wrights - Root/Myers debate is not constructive
285 - Root - My wife is asking me to leave the party
286 - Starchild - lp.org arrangements; Policy Manual might be with the Bylaws,
287 - Wrighs - I did not mean (a specific person) in my remarks
288 - Starchild - policy manual does not say how COC is selected, so the LCN
should choose them
289 - Starchild - I take that back; I missed something that says differently
290 - Pojunis - I propose to recuruit young people and rich people
291 - Ryan - we are going down the infighting road
292 - Howell - trying to find what platform and bylaws changes were made, to
update the web pages
293 - Wrights asks Lieberman what he is trying to hide
294 - Neale - it appears that Cloud was elected to the LNC in violation of an
established policy
295 - Pojunis - IPR is covering 294
296 - Blau - argues for old LPMA collective solidarity doctrine urges list
should be kept private Leadership is best when it is clear and unified.
Effective leadership teams will argue like hell against one another in private,
but stand shoulder to shoulder in public once a decision has been reached.
297 - Root - Johnson is waiting for a data sharing agreement
298 - Ryan - Ignore 294
299 - Myers - I think there are multiple leaks; quotes a Lieberman statement
300 - Vohra - assume that the list leaks
301 - Wiener - agrees with Blau
302 - Lieberman - put your release at the top f the message body so the headers
are readable
303 - Myers - 294 at NatCon a point of order was not made. We could remove and
replace Cloud
304 - WORTH READING Root - 294 (Cloud) stinks to high heaven. The game was so
clearly fixed
305 - Wrigts - Root (304) is right
306 - Wilson - Our Literature is badly out of date
307 - Starchild - need committee that produces new literature
308 - Wilson - as Lark where he is
309 - Starchild - agrees with Wilson
310 - Vohra - thinks Cloud was OK
311 - Wiener - Leaks will REDUCE transparency
312 - Neale - On 294 - who knew? Who warned Cloud (or not)?
313 - Ryan - I worked as paid Sergeant at Arms - Starr accosted my wife about me
being a delegate
314 - Ryan - finishes message
315 - Root - on Feb 16 I was offered a convention slot by Ruth if I swore not
to run includes email
316 - Neale Wayne and I differ as to whether 294 was corrupt - saw Johnson
endorsement for Rutherford
317 - Root - Neale denial 316 is a non sequitur. Oh, and house cleaning failed
318 - Neale - Cloud only got one place. The reason others would need a miracle
to be re-elected was not Michael Cloud
319 - Mattson via Pojunis - Neale (318) is wrong; no speakers were set before
policy was in place and Bennett and Nancy Neale were informed (recorded
conference call)
320 - Neale - I am confused here
321 - Myers - Mattson put Cloud's name up; how did she not notice
322 - Wilson - time sink
323 - Starchild - explains why Blau is wrong on secrecy
324 - Neale - thanks Root for forwarding email re speaking and running for LNC
325 - Buchman - speaks highly of an LNC member he quotes but does not name
326 - Maden DISCUSSION OF THIS YAHOOGROUP - URGES PEOPLE POST ELSEWHERE
327 - Pojunis responds to 321 - convention was very busy . Grey abandoned
peaking slot after the nomination - we should enforce our rules
328 - Vohra - anyoen who wants may circulate my posts
329 - Wiener curreny policy 294 does not work and needs fixing.
330 - Myers - rule good, breaking it bad
331 - starchild - opposes LNC discuss secrecy
332 - Lieberman - I will note vote to reward cheaters for cheating
333 - Wiener says 331 policy will not work
334 - Starchild - us trusting members is better than members trusting us
335 - Blau - if you circulate this message, you are untrustworthy; goes on at
great length in response to Starchild
336 - Lieberman - recalls who was collecting the At-Large nominations
337 Olsen OLSEN REMARKS ARE ALWAYS WORTH READING - our objective measurables are
terrible, I offer to fix part of this
338 - Phillies - TECHNICAL ISSUES ON HOW YAHOOGROUPS WORK
339 - Neale - I need information on Saratoga
340 - Lieberman - response to 339
341 - LNC - Business test email for motions and votes
342 - Goldstein - test worked
343 - Vohra - Test worked
344 - Neale - Motion more ballot access spending
345 - Cloud - 341 received
346 - Blau - received
347 - Root - 341 received
348 - Kirkland - received
349 - Wiener - see if it actually works
350 - Starchild - to Wiener
351 - Capozzi - received
352 - Pojunis - set up facebook group Libertarian National Committee
353 - Neale - Saratoga funding proposal does not make sense
354 - Pojunis - AMAZING - LNC must pay for Saratoga IN ADVANCE of starting
development
355 - Blau - 341 received
356 - Neale - isn't there a Saratoga Contract?
357 - Bennett - Motion to increase budget for ballot access
358 - Redpath - Ballot access funding situation - money was spent that the LNC
had not approved
359 - Neale - the LNC vote is that we paid the last $15,000 on project
completion.
360 - Neale - Where is the IT Committee ratification? We were supposed to see it
361 - Ballot access money - Neale YES
362 - Knebel - 341 received
363 - Ballot access money - Pojunis YES
364 - Ballot access money - Wrights YES
365 - Pojunis - discusses Tech SPec for Saratoga, says there is no contract
betwee LNC and LSLA
366 - Wrights - 365 does not sound right to me
367 - Blau - request for all Saratoga money seems to contradict the LNC
December motion
368 - Ballot access money - Cloud YES
369 - Neale answering 367 - is a motion, requires majority vote
370 - Mack - 341 received
371 - Ballot access money - Lieberman YES
372 - Ballot access money - Lieberman YES
373 - Ballot access money - Myers YES
374 - Lieberman - urges that Secretary not announce vote totals until voting
done
375 - Ballot access money - Hagan YES
376 - Ballot access money - Mack YES
377 - Ballot access money - Root YES
378 - Lieberman - opposes letting EC encumber money with less than a 2/3 vote
[GP and I agree]
379 - Neale - Yo! this is an LNC ballot
380 - Lieberman - it is terrible how few elected Libertarians there are. We
should cajole states to recruit more
381 - Lieberman - ?
382 Lieberman - I put 'threaten' in quotes; Wrights - LNC should not threaten
state affiliates
383 Wrights - message in 382
384 Olsen VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE history of Saratoga
385 Pojunis - History of LSLA IT project on Saratoga
386 Knebel - volunteers for committees except IT
387 Neale - thanks Olsen for 384
388 - Ballot access money - Kirkland YES
389 - Wrights talk good, threaten bad
390 - Ballot access money - Wiener YES (cancels Lieberman vote)
391 - Pojunis - Contest uncontested races
392 - Lieberman - reference showing local office
393 - Blau - says Massachusetts has a similar spread sheet
394 - Lieberman - elect people with nonLibertaian stands on issues not related
to their office
395 - Myers - Most congressman come from lower office. Elect someone bad to
lower office and they may climb up the ladder
396 - Pojunis - We should move this to the facebook group
397 - Root - not interested in discussion
398 - MAY 2 2012 LNC MINUTES IN FILES AREA
399 - MAY 5 2012 LNC MINUTES IN FILES AREA
400 - Kirkland MOVE TO HAVE THE 2012 NatCon in Orlando
401 - Neale - Offers to make the motion if Kirkland does not object
402 - Kirkland - Thank you, Geoff
403 - Vohra - YES to Orlando 2016
404 - Lieberman moves to change dates on 400 from 23-29 to 24-30
405 - Kirkland - speaks in favor of motion
406 - Pojunis - recommendaion on negotiator
407 - Mattson via Kraus forwards updated 5/2 minutes
408 - Bennett - forwards motion to committee
409 - Lieberman - Point of Order - my amendment should be considered
410 - Neale - you can move an amendemnt
411 - Point of Order indeed - Lieberman is an alternate and can't make motions
412 - Neale - 411 has a good point let me think about it
413 - Pojunis - I will let Lieberman take my place
414 - Olsen - urging more local candidates is good
415 - Olsen - Increase Ballot Access Funds - NAY
416 - Mattson (direct email) updated 5/5 minutes
417 - Mattson (direct email) updated 5/2 minutes
418 - Starchild - Lieberman is not Pojunis's ALternate
419 - Wiener - Pojunis is my Alternate; Capozzi is Scott's Alternate
420 - Pojunis - I will answer 419 (Wiener) privately
421 - Pojunis - isn't he both of our alternates?
422 - Cloud - YES to Orlando 2016
423 - Wrights - Alternates: Speak, yes; move, no.
424 - Neale - YES to Orlando 2016
425 - Wrights - YES to Orlando 2016
426 - Kirkland - YES to Orlando 2016
427 - Neale - VERY IMPORTANT AT THIS MOMENT Alternates may NOT make mail ballot
motions
428 - Myers - NO to Orlando 2016
429 - Goldstein - YES to Orlando 2016
430 - Root - YES to Orlando 2016
431 - Blau - YES to Orlando 2016
432 - Lieberman - Replies to Myers 428 on selecting conventions way int eh
future
433 - Neale - humor is good
434 - Blau - agrees with Lieberman 432
435 - STARCHILD ISSUE ON ATTACHMENTS
436 - ATTACHMENT: CA, NY , etc region formation agreement
437 - Wiener - YES to Orlando 2016
438 - Wiener - we should start looking for 2018 convention sites
439 - Blau - proposes Manchester, Boston, or Providence for 2018 (GP: The
largest Manchester site is used for the February NHLA related event, and is
totally inadequate in size)
440 - Pojunis - YES to Orlando 2016
441 - Capozzi - YES to Orlando 2016
442 - Visek - YES to Orlando 2016
443 - Visek - Yes to new ballot access funds
444 - Hagan - YES to Orlando 2016
445 - Mack - YES to Orlando 2016
446 - Lieberman - Airline tickets to Vegas
447 - Neale - learn from past - affinity cards are a bad idea
448 - Howell -LP News going to press soon
449 - Goldstein - sends list of regions
450 - Pojunis - clarification on regions
451 - Howell - retransmit region list for final check
452 - Starchild - more info on ballot access funding please
453 - Myers - would like all states to do this themselves but we are not yet
there
454 - Olsen - ballot access spending is failed policy of past
455 - Mack - I agree there are cost issues and support alternatives
456 - Visek - I share concern on sending amounts
457 - Pojunis - looks for ways to do it for less
458 - Olsen - 'conditional vote' YES to Orlando 2016
459 - Tomasso - questions on Rosen center (Orlando Site)
460 - FILE UPLOAD - REPORT ON COMPETING HOTELS
461 - Lieberman - here is the file on 458's question
462 - Upload - APRIL FINANCIALS
463 - UpLoad - STAFF-RECOMMENDED APRIL FINANCIALS
464 - Hagan - Here are the reports 462 and 463
465 - Pojunis - going to Texas state convention
466 - Neale - so am I
467 - 6/3 Conference call
468 - THERE IS A LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF SPAIN
469 - Lieberman - try to be active about getting the 2016 convention contract
signed
470 - Bennett - I have votes from
471- Root - I voted yes on ballot access.
472 - Bennett - Thanks 471
473 - Spencer - Yes on ballot access funds
474 - Kirkland - I voted Yes on ballot access
475 - Bennett Thanks 472
476 - Bennett - who has voted on 2016 in Orlando
477 - Vohra - votes yes (again)
478 - Wiener - I already voted yes
479 - Cloud - I already voted yes
480 - Kirkland - my records show votes by list of people
481 - Kirkland - more deails on 479
482 - Bennett updated list of people who voted on the Rosen Center.
483 - Spencer - Yes on Florida 2016
484 - Blau - Yes on Rosen Center
485 - Neale - Discussing firthcoming EC meeting: We need to discuss a staff
member in the Johnson Campaign . We may need an exit clause.
486 - Neale - We do nto yet have a draft agreement with the Johnson campaign;
there is an issue with a Johnson Staff member (responding to 'there is no
agreement here')
487 - Visek - already voted yes [GP: Bennett's record of who ahd already votes
missed
people.]
488 - Bennett -- EC meeting is Sunday June 3
489 - Neale - IMPORTANT email from Wes Wagner - NatCon Decision to bar Oregon
delegation may make it legally impossible, or at leas t highly inadvisable, to
put Gary Johnson on the ballot via the party fills out forms route. Also, may
want LNC to agree to indemnify LPO and Wagner if he fills out the forms. Also,
may be a problem wit Johnson running in Oregon at all.
490 - Wrights - what is meant by indemnification?
491 - Neale Motion: Make LNC Meeting weekend of 11/17-18
492 - Cloud - Yes
493 - Kirkland - Yes
494 - Visek - Yes
495 - Olsen confirms prior vote
496 - Olsen - What is the Johnson staff problem
497 - Myers - confirm prior vote
498 - Blau - wants November meeting in DC so LNC can buy a building in the DC
area.
499 - Tomasso - what is the new revenue for ballot access?
500 - Neale - Cloud offered to raise extra money for us (answers 499)
501 - Straw poll on November meeting location
502 - Lieberman - pushes for particular people to be involved in buying real
estate
503 - Redpath - meet in DC
504 - Kirkland - DC
505 - Myers - Yes on November
506 - Wiener - Yes on November DC
507 - Wiener - parliamentary detail - Secretary must post the motion
508 - Myers - Texas is not looking for the 2018 convention
509 - Lieberman - sniping at Myers
510 - Lieberman - Secretary must post the motion
511 - Lieberman - schedule all 2013 meeting at the November meeting
512 - Myers - Texas made it clear we want a Presidential election year
513 - UNBELIEVABLE Neale - to all state chairs. Long time donor got message
from Johnson campaign. He checked the person at Mugshots.com. The person had a
forgery conviction and otehr things on mugshots.com We have not yet sent donor
names to Johnson. The message has an impressive list of mugshots.com points.
The person is no longer involved with contacting donors or with fundraising.
514 - Knedler via direct mail to LNC - trying to raise money for Saratoga
515 - Root - I am going to FreedomFest
516 - REPEAT OF 513
517 - explains typoes (appears in 513, and corrected in 516, I think)
518 FINAL 5/5/2012 minutes posted
519 - Lieberman - YES on Orlando
520 - Starchild - differs with Lieberman on choosing candidates
521 - Lark - YES on Ballot Access Money
522 - Lark - YES on Orlando
523 - Lieberman replying to Olsen, Olsen saying inside the beltway is 4x the
going rate for real estate
524 - Neale - assembled alll motions on Saratoga
525 - FILE UPLOAD THE SARATOGA-RELATED SECTIONS OF MINUTES
526 - Neale/Pojunis - why is it called Saratoga?
527 - Pojunis - we eventually decided we wanted a name
528 - Neale - Thanks Pojunis
529 - Pojunis - I am tired of trying to raise money for the project
530 - Pojunis - did not mean to send that to list
531 - Cloud - Carla and I have raised $46,100 toward ballot access
532 - Starchild - defends press release supporting Walker
533 - Myers - differs in part with Starchild
534 - Root - attacking public employee unions is a great idea
535 - Root - yes, really
536 - Lieberman - we would do better to try to elect more people
537 - Wrights - tells Root to work on his communication skills
538 - FILE UPLOAD - MAY MEMBERSHIP DATA
539 - Kraus - cover letter for 538
540 - Root - I am such a great guy
541 - Myers - Wayne you are turning people off to the party
542 - Root - The only person I offend is you, Myers
543 - Root - says nice things about Johnson
544 - NEALE - TECHNICAL EMAIL MATTER
545 - Wrights - LNC call this evening
546 - Neale - EC Meeting 6/6 reconsider vote on what we need from Johnson
547 - Starchild forwards message attackign LCN press release praising Johnson
548 - Starchild to Root: I did nto say our message on Walker was too Republican;
I said we needed things to counteract leaving that impression
549 - Root apologizes; he was answereing Myers
550 - Starchild - in electing candidates, we need quality not quantity
551 - Tomasso - would like East Coast meeting
552 - Occupy is good, Arab Spring is popular
553 - UPLOAD OF JUEN 6 EC MINUTES
554 - 554 - cover letter for 553
555 - Olsen - Building inside beltway is waste of money
556 - Visek - pleas emore notice of phone calls
557 - Starchild ABSTAIN on Florida National Convention
558 - Wrights to Root - "If I was boo'ed like you were on the floor of the
convention, I would be a little more humble and alot less high and mighty. You
have a communication problem, Wayne. It is plain to almost everyone, except you."
559 - Root - I am incredibly great
560 - Root I am even great than that.
561 - Myers - Wayne you are appealing to hard core Republicans
562 - Root - stop disagreeing with me; it is a waste of time
563 - Root - Johnson fundraiser at my home during Freedm Fest
564 - Myers back at Root
565 - Myers - Wayne, why not ask your 100,000 friends to join our party
566 - Starchild - being public, ask for members who are commercial Realtors to
help
567 - Lieberman - we want this list confidential
568 Lieberman, answering 558 - "The fact that Wayne Root WAS booed says much
more about the people who booed him, than it does about Mr. Root."
569 - Lieberman - all those hard core Reublicans are potential libertarians
570 - Starchild - we have a proper process for holding a secret meeting.
571 - Starchild to Lieberman - name someone who would leave the party if Root
ahd no interviews
572 - Starchild: Lieberman's joke invoking Zambia is seen by many as racist
573 - UPLOAD - FINALIZED AGREEMENT WITH GARY JOHNSON
574 - Cover letter for 573
575 - Neale - the campaign manager for Johnson makes a practice of hiring
convicted felons as a policy; they are found to be less problematic than the
non-felons neale defends the policy.
576 - Lieberman - 572 sounds politically correct to me GP: In my experience,
almost the only people who even mention poltiical correctness are Republican
racist bigots, but here is an exception to the rule.
577 - Starchild - I am sensitive to cultural issues
578 - Starchild - compliments Neale on 575
579 - Root - I use this story all the time
580 - Blau - LNC $25,000 is inadequate to get Johnson on the ballot in MA - I am
raising money
581 - Message RE Johnson Fundraiser during July LNC meeting
582 - Starchild remonstrates with Root
583 - Wiener - These back and forths are nuisances
584 Wrights - answers 567 - we never voted such a thing, not at all
585 - report on top two primary
586 - Root agrees with Wiener - 582
587 - Goldstein - Agrees with WIener and Lieberman 567, 582
588 - responds to 585 and 586
589 - Root - I got an interview request
590 - Myers - Rotos listeners are really obnoxious Republicans
591 - Neale - praises Olsen - ahs anyone looked at our membership numbers
592 - Neale - agrees with Goldstein - no cofidentiality means no trust
593 - Goldstein - we should expell from the LNC people who keep leaking
594 - Myers - what is the difference between LNC-DISCUSS and a public discussion
595 - Lark - suggestions
*Posted in the Files sections of the LP Radical Caucus (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpradicals/files/) and Grassroots Libertarians Caucus (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GrassrootsLibertarians/files/).