Starchild and Marcy,
I think we can take a leaf from the success of Act Up.
Best, Michael
Aha! But Act Up is not a political party, which we are supposed to be!
One of these days I will establish a non-profit action group called
Libertarians for Letting Off Steam, so we can all have an outlet to
act up all we want!
: - )
Starchild and Marcy,
I think we can take a leaf from the success of Act Up.
Best, Michael
From: Amarcy D. Berry
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 12:19 PM
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: GOP Group Cancels Straw Poll After Ron
Paul Supporters Pour In
No, Starchild, I would not have participated in the Boston Tea Party
either!I completely agree with you that the establishment's hostility against
libertarianism (not just against Ron Paul) requires a struggle to
overcome. We just disagree on whether some forms of struggle are
effective.Marcy
>
> Marcy,
>
> I meant "raising a clamor for justice" metaphorically, not
> necessarily literally -- although literally is one way to do it. I
do
> consider the political establishment's hostility to Ron Paul to be a
> real problem, not just an "everyday difference" but a serious
> obstacle that requires a struggle to overcome.
>
> What do you think you would have said in 1773 to the idea of the
> Boston Tea Party?
>
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
>
>
>
> > Dear Starchild,
> >
> > You might be entirely correct! However, you have known me long
enough
> > to have anticipated my feelings toward radicalization of anything! I
> > have consistently appealed to our groups to solve everyday
differences
> > amicably. Save the shouting for a *real* problem!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Marcy
> >
> > >
> > > Marcy,
> > >
> > > That's my bottom line as well. But I do believe that the most
> > > effective response to an injustice occurring, if our aim is to
> > > advance the cause, is to raise a clamor for justice.
Radicalizing
> > and
> > > motivating the people on our own side is probably even more key to
> > > our success than drawing the maximum amount of public sympathy.
> > >
> > > Love & Liberty,
> > > ((( starchild )))
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear Phil,
> > > >
> > > > Bottom line is always (IMHO) whether the actions we take
> > further our
> > > > cause or not. It's a tough call.
> > > >
> > > > Marcy
> > > >
> > > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Philip Berg" <philip@>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sometimes verbal protest is called for. What were we
supposed to
> > > > do. Just take it like sheep and quietly walk out?
> > > > > From: Amarcy D. Berry
> > > > > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:43 PM
> > > > > Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: GOP Group Cancels Straw Poll
> > After Ron
> > > > Paul Supporters Pour In
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you, Phil. I agree with you. As an aside, I personally
> > believe
> > > > > such melee hurts the libertarian cause.
> > > > >
> > > > > Marcy
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Philip Berg" <philip@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It was her party. She owns the organization which is not
> > > > affiliated
> > > > > with the GOP. It was classless, and fraudalent, and
> > > > inconsiderate, but
> > > > > it's her thing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No state action is warrented.
> > > > > > From: Kurt Ferber
> > > > > > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Cc: Dr. Michael R. Edelstein ; Ron Paul San Francisco Meetup
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:52 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] GOP Group Cancels Straw Poll
> > After Ron
> > > > > Paul Supporters Pour In
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would like to file a complaint with the FEC.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Could someone versed in law draft a complaint template
> > > > > > based on the FEC guidelines here
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Help for candidates and committees | FEC
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kurt
> > > > > > NYC
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Starchild <sfdreamer@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just posted this comment on the blog:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The organizer, or at least the contact person for the
> > event, was
> > > > > Gail
> > > > > > > Neira -- she can be reached at (415) 820~1430 or (415)
> > 821~4452.
> > > > > Ron
> > > > > > > Paul supporters might wish to call and demand their
money
> > back
> > > > for
> > > > > > > the event if they haven't already. It also seems
possible
> > that
> > > > this
> > > > > > > action somehow violated the California Republican
Assembly's
> > > > > bylaws.
> > > > > > > The state CRA bylaws can be found at http://
> > > > > > > www.californiarepublicanassembly.com/bylaws ... ; I
could
> > not
> > > > find
> > > > > > > any bylaws online for the SF group ( http://
> > members.tripod.com/
> > > > > > > ~CRA0115/SFCRA.html ). If the SFCRA does not have any
> > bylaws,
> > > > that
> > > > > > > would be a violation of the state CRA charter.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Love & Liberty,
> > > > > > > ((( starchild )))
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Michael,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That's outrageous. Did the Ron Paul supporters ask
for and
> > > > > receive
> > > > > > > > their money back? I think you have grounds to demand it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ((( starchild )))
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> December 05, 2007
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> San Francisco GOP Group Cancels Straw Poll After
Ron Paul
> > > > > > > >> Supporters Pour In
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Posted by Eric A. Garris at December 5, 2007 12:48 AM
> > > > > > > >> Scores of Ron Paul supporters showed up to the San
> > Francisco
> > > > > > > >> Republican Alliance dinner, where they were treated
to an
My view is that adhering to the labels and categories society says we are "supposed" to fall into is less important than actually getting things done for the cause of liberty.
What if Martin Luther King had said "I'm a preacher, I'm supposed to tell congregations how to be better people from behind the pulpit -- I'm not supposed to be out in the streets leading marches, breaking laws, and putting people into potentially violent situations!"
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
Sounds like we agree to disagree, Starchild. But that is OK, because
we all will be doing our part in our own way.
Marcy