Fighting for libertarianism in each State vs. Federal government

With Liberty, at least your daughter could be armed, or perhaps her father or boy friend. In most societies, the people are unarmed, and the state does it's typical slothful job of bringing justice. In San Francisco , where arms arre very difficult to carry legally, a man got on a Muni bus a few years and razored the faces of a number of passengers. Disarming the people is the greatest crime of the state.

Agreed Phil, and that is why I commented earlier with
some support for what Mike D said. I would say, let's
get an armed citizenry, to stop most crime before it
starts and let's get cops away from vice crimes and
minor speeding and parking infractions and back on the
trail of victim crimes AND how bout making it "OK" for
cops to work with private investigators instead of
sticking their nose up at the good work they do. Deep
down, I too would probably prefer anarchy, but do not
see it working right now... maybe in 2000 years, who
knows, so let's support those candidates, L, R, D or
independent who want to point us in that direction,
contrary to what Brian Miller believes, I think Ron
Paul is one of those such candidates. Even though our
candidates (except maybe Root) are also good for those
reasons, I think Ron Paul has a better chance (albeit
very small) to push these ideas forward. That's why I
support him. That's why I won't demean the message of
Christine Smith, Dave Hollist (well, sometimes w/
Hollist), or Steve Kubby, just demean their meager
campaign ability to push us forward (at least as Pres.
candidates).

Peace all,

-TJ
--- Philip Berg <philip@...> wrote:

With Liberty, at least your daughter could be armed,
or perhaps her father or boy friend. In most
societies, the people are unarmed, and the state
does it's typical slothful job of bringing justice.
In San Francisco , where arms arre very difficult to
carry legally, a man got on a Muni bus a few years
and razored the faces of a number of passengers.
Disarming the people is the greatest crime of the
state.
  From: Tim Campbell
  To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:35 PM
  Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Fighting for
libertarianism in each State vs. Federal government

  it's doubtful..... all I want is an anarchist to
tell
  me what happens if my daughter is raped, who do I
go
  to for justice and then if I am accused of a crime
I
  didnt commit, who do I go to for defending me and
  proving me innocent....

  no anarchist ever explains these things to me they
  just sent me more articles written by people who
have
  never lived in an anarchal society

  -TJ
  --- Mike Denny <mike@...> wrote:

  > And another thing TJ....here's an interesting
quote
  > to consider from
  > Benjamin
  >

Tucker...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Tucker

  >
  >
  >
  > "There are some troubles from which mankind can
  > never escape. . . . [The
  > anarchists] have never claimed that liberty will
  > bring perfection; they
  > simply say that its results are vastly
preferable to
  > those that follow
  > from authority.... As a choice of blessings,
liberty
  > is the greater; as
  > a choice of evils, liberty is the smaller. Then
  > liberty always says the
  > Anarchist. No use of force except against the
  > invader." -
  >
  >
  >
  > Hopefully upon further communication you will at
  > least consider those
  > who share his views are a little more grounded
than
  > your "insane" label.
  >
  >
  >
  > :>)
  >
  >
  >
  > Mike
  >
  > ________________________________
  >
  > From: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  > [mailto:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com]
  > On Behalf Of Tim Campbell
  > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:03 AM
  > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Fighting for
  > libertarianism in each State
  > vs. Federal government
  >
  >
  >
  > I didnt say rape went away, I said with no
  > government
  > running a justice system how is someone to
prosecute
  > someone who committed a crime, how do we punish
  > criminals, how do we protect ourselves if
someone
  > believes we committed a crime without due
process of
  > law? We have none of these things, and Somalia
had
  > none of these things, w/o a government, I don't
know
  > how it is now, I am sure it sucks cause it's a
3rd
  > world, but I believe what the Constitution
provides
  > for is adequate and would not want anything
less...
  > except maybe a private post office w/
competition of
  > free market, but certainly I believe in police,
  > national defense, fire departments, government
made
  > currency and the court system. I think it's
insane
  > to
  > believe we could carry on w/o these important
  > functions.
  >
  > -TJ
  > --- Mike Denny <mike@...
  > <mailto:mike%40drinksusa.com> >
  > wrote:
  >
  > > Well TJ...there are pretty bad situations
going on
  > > everywhere on a daily
  > > basis even here in SF. There question is "does
  > > central government make
  > > things better" or "do moral and cooperative
people
  > > make things better."
  > > If you are suggesting Somalia is more peaceful
now
  > > that there is again
  > > open military conflict with foreign occupiers
  > > battling the locals...well
  > > I can't answer that question...and it appears
the
  > > rich are those with
  > > the most guns as usual so I just don't see
much of
  > a
  > > difference. Are you
  > > saying rape has gone away now that the country
has
  > > foreign occupiers and
  > > a puppet government? If so...please share your
  > > evidence.
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > I don't expect to change your mind
though...just
  > > sharing information.
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > Mike
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > ________________________________
  > >
  > > From: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  > <mailto:lpsf-discuss%40yahoogroups.com>
  > > [mailto:lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  > <mailto:lpsf-discuss%40yahoogroups.com> ]
  > > On Behalf Of Tim Campbell
  > > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 10:04 PM
  > > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  > <mailto:lpsf-discuss%40yahoogroups.com>
  > > Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Fighting for
  > > libertarianism in each State
  > > vs. Federal government
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > I know people who lived in Somaila. Many girls
are
  > > raped daily with no police or prosecutors to
  > charge
  > > the criminals. You have to pay a "tax" to go
  > between
  > > city streets and there is no one to protect
you
  > from
  > > being scammed, even simple ones, like going to
a
  > > store, giving them 5 dollars for bread and
then
  > they
  > > say... I didn't get any money from you.....
sorry
  > > guys, Anarchy DOESNT WORK, anywhere, unless we
  > were
  > > angels... but we are human and imperfect
beings,
  > we
  > > need to have some sort of justice system to
  > protect
  > > us, and the only one is a system made up of
the

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