Chris,
The group voted this month that a decision was made at the October
meeting despite the fact that no motion was even made, let alone
passed, and there were objections. This month we at least had a motion,
which was never voted down. So anyone who believes there was a decision
made last month ought to argue that we also made one on Saturday.
If on the other hand we can make decisions without passing motions or
even asking for consensus, please tell me how we will know when a
decision has been made. Wait to see whether the Secretary records one
as having been made and then hash it out at the next meeting if
necessary, I suppose? This strikes me as a good way to waste time and
produce discord.
I looked up "tabling" in Roberts Rules of Order, and you are correct
that a motion to table is indefinite -- though there is the presumption
that the matter will be taken up again, perhaps even as soon as during
the same session. Otherwise the proper action is not to table, but to
*postpone* a question indefinitely (or more fairly, to simply vote the
question down). Anyway, I agree this is beside the point.
My comment about "censoring" the lists *was* related to the essence of
Rob's proposal, which would apparently require people to be prohibited
from posting certain messages to LPSF-discuss. Of course we wouldn't
want anyone announcing a KKK rally on our list, but we've never tried
to prohibit it, either. Your complaint with my use of the word
"censorship," though once again technically correct, was not related to
the issue itself.
Yours in liberty,
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Hash: SHA1The consensus at one point did appear to be that the matter
would
be
taken up by a committee, so according to the precedent established by
approving the minutes of the October meeting as recorded, Marcy is
correct and the matter is now in committee, even if objections were
expressed.a) There was a formal motion (and a couple of amendments) on the
floor. Consensus is not relevant, and no vote was taken.b) The acceptance of the October minutes set no precedent; it was in
accordance with parliamentary procedure. The membership only asserted
that
Marcy's recording was in accordance with their memory, and that we can
make
"decisions" without passing resolutions or explicitly asking for
consensus.I also feel that censoring our email lists is a solution
worse than
the problem it purports to solve.Censorship is something a government does. A private organization can
-
and arguably should - concern itself with what is done in its name. To
draw an extreme example, should an LPSF member be able to use the LPSF
mailing list to announce a KKK rally?And no, I don't want to discuss that specific hypothetical, nor do I
really
want to discuss procedure at all:Tabling something, by definition, means that it is to be a
future
agenda item, normally at the subsequent meeting unless otherwise
stated.This is incorrect. Tabling, without qualification means that it stays
on
the table until a motion is made to take it off the table. But that's
beside the point - I plan to put it on the agenda again anyway.The point is that there is a serious disagreement about how the LPSF
name
should be publicly used. I believe that this disagreement can be
resolved
cooperatively, but if we have to resort to silly procedural rules to
pass a
resolution to make intention (and decision) clear, then we will; that's
what the silly procedural rules are there for, ultimately.Let's talk about the *essence* of Rob's proposal instead.
Please.
~Chris
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