Dear Ron,
It's a joy to read your e-mails! How about I say my Mom had me when
she was 50?
Regarding outreach to police, I have always been of the opinion that
positive friendly relations with all groups works better than
adversarial attitudes, no matter if we have to grit our teeth with
some groups in order to smile.
Regarding the Segways, my vote would be "no" and I would find a way to
vote at least three times!! There is no substitute to walking patrols
interacting with the citizenry. Backing the foot patrols with police
cars (black and white, please; not baby blue) is OK with me. Of
course, I still support the idea of mainly private "order keepers"
(even after Blackwater may have made it difficult for libertarians to
argue in favor of private contractors).
Regards,
Marcy
Dear Marcy;
Your Mom is 90? Wow! So how old does that make you? 39? Just don't
ask how many times you have been 39? 
The Segway police thing actually works and community repsonse where
they have had Segway patrols has been positive. Yes their is the whole
dichotomy libertrianism vs. police etc but we are stuck with them so
make them more effective which could result in less dollars needed tax
wise and get them out of their patrol cars and do some meeting and
greeting and doing community patroling.
see the story and see the video.
http://www.segway.com/police/
http://tinyurl.com/6ss5xd
Even more.
http://www.segway.com/police-government/local-police.php
http://tinyurl.com/9bqjuh
Plus you get renewable energy tax credits for their use. Whoo hoo!!!
Ron Getty - SF Libertarian
Hostis res Publica
Morte ai Tiranni
Dum Spiro, Pugno
________________________________
From: Amarcy D. Berry <amarcyb@...>
To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 9:45:41 PM
Subject: [lpsf-activists] Re: Draft agenda for Jan 10 meeting --
Other agenda items?
Dear Ron,
First, thank you for the info. on PG&E's challenges. I passed the
information on to my poor 90 year old Mom, who was getting completely
freaked out about the disappearance of lights in selected spots.
Secondly, policemen riding Segways is out. The idea sounds to me as
strange as that of baby blue police cars emblazoned with "Police
Services;" which cars lasted about one and a half minutes.
Anyway, I'm still partial to the LPSF, of all things, outreaching the
police. The irony in this idea is too good for any libertarian to
pass up.
Marcy
>
> Dear Marcy;
>
> Yes some police outreach wouldn't be a bad idea. Afterall we came up
with the letter campaign for beat foot patrols before the Board of
Supervisors hopped on our band wagon implemented the program in
various hot spots and never gave us the proper credit.
>
> Hmmmph!!!
>
> Here's an idea to help the beat foot patrols get around better get
Segway scooters for the beat patrols. Segway has police versions used
by various PD's around the country for foot patrol.
>
> My idea is to form a non-profit tax deductible corp and have wealthy
people chip in to buy the Segways for the PD and get a tax deduction
for the equipmenrt purchase and depreciation. The PD leases at a $1.00
a year or some such thing. It's doable but takes someone who can come
up with the right type of non-profit tax deductible corporation thing
with equipment lease depreciation pass through etc etc etc.
>
> BTW: PGE has had transformer problems effecting various outage
electrical grid zone blocks throughout the Sunset last couple days.
Their electrical grid zones are strange beasts. I have had my power
out while literally across the street their power was on and vice versa.
>
> Ron Getty - SF Libertarian
> Hostis res Publica
> Morte ai Tiranni
> Dum Spiro, Pugno
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Amarcy D. Berry <amarcyb@>
> To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 8:13:30 PM
> Subject: [lpsf-activists] Re: Draft agenda for Jan 10 meeting --
Other agenda items?
>
> Dear Ron,
>
> Huuuummmm...not a bad idea to do some police outreach by using their
> meeting room. I especially like the idea of being able to order the
> pizza, which one cannot do at the library.
>
> Marcy
> PS I better go have dinner before the lights go out again. Anyone
> else having this problem, or is it bad Karma at our house?
>
>
> --- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Ron Getty <tradergroupe@>
wrote:
> >
> > Dear Marcy and All Other Ships At Sea Whose Electricity Is Working;
> >
> > You wrote in part:
> >
> > Since I was never in favor of the "Free Pizza" ploy, I would also
> > suggest that we discontinue advertising it. In my opinion, business
> > meetings of any kind are sleep-inducing to the average guest. I
have
> > always felt that the business meetings should be meant for hard core
> > activists willing to donate a couple of hours each month to
brainstorm
> > and implement ideas on how to promote the LP.
> >
> > Perhaps the outreach effort should be directed to inviting
interested
> > parties to events we devise, and to communications by e-newsletter
> > etc. And maybe the socializing could occur mostly at the Drinking
> > Freely Meetup. I have no problem with the majority of the Drinking
> > Freely group not coming to the business meetings; the idea might be
> > that occasionally a Drinking Freely member would become interested
> > enough in the LP to evolve into a hard core activist.
> >
> > I agree. Although we can still do the pizza thing unless we start to
> meet at a place where if socializing is wanted and it's near a local
> ristorante or pizzeria to go to afterwards hey why not.
> >
> > As an example the Richmond District Police Station at 6th Ave. and
> Geary has a community room for meetings. Yeah yeah yeah I know but we
> already pay for it whether or not we like it or not so get back some
> of our hard earned tax dollars.
> >
> > I mention the Richmond station because the newly appointed District
> Captain is Capt. Richard Correia who happens to be my next door
> neighbor for some 15 years.
> >
> > He has been with the SFPD for some 28 years - including foot patrol
> in the Richmond - Sergeant in Charge of Muni Security - Lt. in charge
> of Sex Crimes ( who had some TV/headline grabbing cases of rapists
> being caught ) - Night Captain Homicide ( you don't wanna ask
> details about ) - Airport Captain - Captain Police Academy - now
> District Station Captain.
> >
> > He has an MBA and is a born and raised San Franciscan a 49er season
> ticket holder and watched THE CATCH happen right in front of him at
> that very special 49er game jsut before the Super Bowl win. I am
> certain he would be an interesting guest speaker.
> >
> > The 38 geary 1 california 31 balboa 5 fulton and 44 O'Shaughnessy
> all go by.. Also within a block is the Taco Bell KFC a couple pizza
> parlors and two ristorantes. Not to mention the Clement Street
> restaurants a block and a half away. Or we could phone order in if
> wanted and get delivery to the station and delivery orders can include
> free soda with left overs for the station guys and gals. Hey they
> might fix a ticket in exchange for the free pizza.
> >
> > Put discussion on the agenda of the switch over to a new methodology
> and or new venue.
> >
> > Ron Getty - SF Libertarian
> > Hostis res Publica
> > Morte ai Tiranni
> > Dum Spiro, Pugno
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Amarcy D. Berry <amarcyb@>
> > To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 2:00:45 PM
> > Subject: [lpsf-activists] Re: Draft agenda for Jan 10 meeting --
> Other agenda items?
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > During my typing this reply the electricity in our home went puff
> > three times; the last time causing my reply to completely
disappear.
> > So, if you receive this e-mail 4 times, please forgive me.
> >
> > I agree with Rob that we need to review our meeting options.
Although
> > I do feel guilty about not ordering pizza at the last meeting, I
> > personally do not feel that great harm was done, since we were the
> > only ones in the back room. Were I a restaurant owner, I would much
> > prefer to have a couple of folks sit for free than to have my place
> > look like a mausoleum! Of course, the ideal would be for guests to
> > pay! Thus, our need to discuss our options at the next meeting.
> >
> > I am not overjoyed with the Treasury committing to a fixed expense
> > without money coming in. However, I would agree to the necessity of
> > the Treasury making sure that Milano's receives some base amount
each
> > time any of us shows up for an LPSF meeting.
> >
> > Since I was never in favor of the "Free Pizza" ploy, I would also
> > suggest that we discontinue advertising it. In my opinion, business
> > meetings of any kind are sleep-inducing to the average guest. I
have
> > always felt that the business meetings should be meant for hard core
> > activists willing to donate a couple of hours each month to
brainstorm
> > and implement ideas on how to promote the LP.
> >
> > Perhaps the outreach effort should be directed to inviting
interested
> > parties to events we devise, and to communications by e-newsletter
> > etc. And maybe the socializing could occur mostly at the Drinking
> > Freely Meetup. I have no problem with the majority of the Drinking
> > Freely group not coming to the business meetings; the idea might be
> > that occasionally a Drinking Freely member would become interested
> > enough in the LP to evolve into a hard core activist.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Marcy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Rob,
> > >
> > > I'm assuming Marcy meant *two* large pizzas is $40 -- that
> would be
> > > a lot for one pizza. We did order some food last month -- I
got a
> > > salad and one of our new arrivals got a salad. Some drinks may
have
> > > been ordered too, I don't recall. So Milano's probably got at
least
> > > $15 from us that day. If you're dreading the call to reserve the
> > > room, I'm willing to call and do it. I don't think it's an
unfair
> > > business arrangement if we have an off month and order a bit less
> now
> > > and then. It's still steady business for them at a time of day
when
> > > they probably wouldn't be getting much use out of that room
> > > otherwise. Especially if you're still having to call to reserve
the
> > > room every month -- that means they're getting an opportunity to
let
> > > others reserve it for that time slot each month, if anybody else
> asks
> > > first.
> > >
> > > Love & Liberty,
> > > ((( starchild )))
> > >
> > >
> > > > I was aware of the $40 number, which is why I proposed up to $20
> being
> > > > subsidized out of the treasury. If even 4 members show up, and
each
> > > > contributes $5, we should be able to afford a large pizza with
> that
> > > > subsidy.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, for a room that size for three hours, $40 is a bargain,
> > > > considering
> > > > we also get food included.
> > > >
> > > > I want everyone to really think hard about this and be ready
to
> > > > vote on
> > > > it next week -- whether for dietary restrictions, scheduling,
not
> > > > liking
> > > > pizza or Milano's pizza in particular, or whatever -- why do we
> > > > regularly have to order more pizza than we normally have people
> to eat
> > > > it? (We could, of course, order a medium pizza and some
pasta or
> > > > salads
> > > > instead, if it's dietary restrictions we're dealing with.)
But if
> > > > you're one of the members who tends to leave as soon as
business is
> > > > over, I encourage you to vote for finding a place like the SF
Public
> > > > Library to have our meetings, and then we could perhaps tell
> visitors
> > > > that if they want to join us for a pizza social afterwards, we
can
> > > > walk
> > > > as a group from the meeting room to California Pizza Kitchen or
> > > > something else in that area.
> > > >
> > > > But we simply can't repeat what happened last month -- taking
> over the
> > > > entire back room at Milano's for three hours and then not
buying any
> > > > food. That's an unfair business arrangement. I'm dreading the
> call to
> > > > reserve the room, because it's so embarrassing that we did
that to
> > > > them. To make it up, I plan to at least order sodas and
> breadsticks at
> > > > the start of the meeting, and I'm hoping we have enough people
> show up
> > > > to do two large pizzas (or equivalent in salad or pasta) plus
beer
> > > > this
> > > > time.
> > > >
> > > > Rob
> > > >
> > > > Amarcy D. Berry wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Rob,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the Agenda, and the good reminder that we do need
to
> > > > stick
> > > > > to our agreement with Milano's (yes, I do feel guilty
about not
> > > > > ordering a pizza last month!)
> > > > >
> > > > > Just for clarification, a large pizza is around $35, plus tip
> brings
> > > > > the bill to around $40.25. So, members present would still be
> > > > > encouraged to contribute to the Pizza Fund; otherwise the LPSF
> > > > > Treasury would be in the same position as the U.S. Treasury
pretty
> > > > > soon!! The ideal would be for the LPSF to bring in lots and
> lots of
> > > > > memberships to support the Pizza Fund expenditures.
> > > > >
> > > > > Marcy
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > <mailto:lpsf-activists%40yahoogroups.com>, Rob Power
<chair@>