Dear Ron,
First, thank you for the info. on PG&E's challenges. I passed the
information on to my poor 90 year old Mom, who was getting completely
freaked out about the disappearance of lights in selected spots.
Secondly, policemen riding Segways is out. The idea sounds to me as
strange as that of baby blue police cars emblazoned with "Police
Services;" which cars lasted about one and a half minutes.
Anyway, I'm still partial to the LPSF, of all things, outreaching the
police. The irony in this idea is too good for any libertarian to pass up.
Marcy
Dear Marcy;
Yes some police outreach wouldn't be a bad idea. Afterall we came up
with the letter campaign for beat foot patrols before the Board of
Supervisors hopped on our band wagon implemented the program in
various hot spots and never gave us the proper credit.
Hmmmph!!!
Here's an idea to help the beat foot patrols get around better get
Segway scooters for the beat patrols. Segway has police versions used
by various PD's around the country for foot patrol.
My idea is to form a non-profit tax deductible corp and have wealthy
people chip in to buy the Segways for the PD and get a tax deduction
for the equipmenrt purchase and depreciation. The PD leases at a $1.00
a year or some such thing. It's doable but takes someone who can come
up with the right type of non-profit tax deductible corporation thing
with equipment lease depreciation pass through etc etc etc.
BTW: PGE has had transformer problems effecting various outage
electrical grid zone blocks throughout the Sunset last couple days.
Their electrical grid zones are strange beasts. I have had my power
out while literally across the street their power was on and vice versa.
Ron Getty - SF Libertarian
Hostis res Publica
Morte ai Tiranni
Dum Spiro, Pugno
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From: Amarcy D. Berry <amarcyb@...>
To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 8:13:30 PM
Subject: [lpsf-activists] Re: Draft agenda for Jan 10 meeting --
Other agenda items?
Dear Ron,
Huuuummmm...not a bad idea to do some police outreach by using their
meeting room. I especially like the idea of being able to order the
pizza, which one cannot do at the library.
Marcy
PS I better go have dinner before the lights go out again. Anyone
else having this problem, or is it bad Karma at our house?
>
> Dear Marcy and All Other Ships At Sea Whose Electricity Is Working;
>
> You wrote in part:
>
> Since I was never in favor of the "Free Pizza" ploy, I would also
> suggest that we discontinue advertising it. In my opinion, business
> meetings of any kind are sleep-inducing to the average guest. I have
> always felt that the business meetings should be meant for hard core
> activists willing to donate a couple of hours each month to brainstorm
> and implement ideas on how to promote the LP.
>
> Perhaps the outreach effort should be directed to inviting interested
> parties to events we devise, and to communications by e-newsletter
> etc. And maybe the socializing could occur mostly at the Drinking
> Freely Meetup. I have no problem with the majority of the Drinking
> Freely group not coming to the business meetings; the idea might be
> that occasionally a Drinking Freely member would become interested
> enough in the LP to evolve into a hard core activist.
>
> I agree. Although we can still do the pizza thing unless we start to
meet at a place where if socializing is wanted and it's near a local
ristorante or pizzeria to go to afterwards hey why not.
>
> As an example the Richmond District Police Station at 6th Ave. and
Geary has a community room for meetings. Yeah yeah yeah I know but we
already pay for it whether or not we like it or not so get back some
of our hard earned tax dollars.
>
> I mention the Richmond station because the newly appointed District
Captain is Capt. Richard Correia who happens to be my next door
neighbor for some 15 years.
>
> He has been with the SFPD for some 28 years - including foot patrol
in the Richmond - Sergeant in Charge of Muni Security - Lt. in charge
of Sex Crimes ( who had some TV/headline grabbing cases of rapists
being caught ) - Night Captain Homicide ( you don't wanna ask
details about ) - Airport Captain - Captain Police Academy - now
District Station Captain.
>
> He has an MBA and is a born and raised San Franciscan a 49er season
ticket holder and watched THE CATCH happen right in front of him at
that very special 49er game jsut before the Super Bowl win. I am
certain he would be an interesting guest speaker.
>
> The 38 geary 1 california 31 balboa 5 fulton and 44 O'Shaughnessy
all go by.. Also within a block is the Taco Bell KFC a couple pizza
parlors and two ristorantes. Not to mention the Clement Street
restaurants a block and a half away. Or we could phone order in if
wanted and get delivery to the station and delivery orders can include
free soda with left overs for the station guys and gals. Hey they
might fix a ticket in exchange for the free pizza. 
>
> Put discussion on the agenda of the switch over to a new methodology
and or new venue.
>
> Ron Getty - SF Libertarian
> Hostis res Publica
> Morte ai Tiranni
> Dum Spiro, Pugno
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Amarcy D. Berry <amarcyb@>
> To: lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 2:00:45 PM
> Subject: [lpsf-activists] Re: Draft agenda for Jan 10 meeting --
Other agenda items?
>
> Dear All,
>
> During my typing this reply the electricity in our home went puff
> three times; the last time causing my reply to completely disappear.
> So, if you receive this e-mail 4 times, please forgive me.
>
> I agree with Rob that we need to review our meeting options. Although
> I do feel guilty about not ordering pizza at the last meeting, I
> personally do not feel that great harm was done, since we were the
> only ones in the back room. Were I a restaurant owner, I would much
> prefer to have a couple of folks sit for free than to have my place
> look like a mausoleum! Of course, the ideal would be for guests to
> pay! Thus, our need to discuss our options at the next meeting.
>
> I am not overjoyed with the Treasury committing to a fixed expense
> without money coming in. However, I would agree to the necessity of
> the Treasury making sure that Milano's receives some base amount each
> time any of us shows up for an LPSF meeting.
>
> Since I was never in favor of the "Free Pizza" ploy, I would also
> suggest that we discontinue advertising it. In my opinion, business
> meetings of any kind are sleep-inducing to the average guest. I have
> always felt that the business meetings should be meant for hard core
> activists willing to donate a couple of hours each month to brainstorm
> and implement ideas on how to promote the LP.
>
> Perhaps the outreach effort should be directed to inviting interested
> parties to events we devise, and to communications by e-newsletter
> etc. And maybe the socializing could occur mostly at the Drinking
> Freely Meetup. I have no problem with the majority of the Drinking
> Freely group not coming to the business meetings; the idea might be
> that occasionally a Drinking Freely member would become interested
> enough in the LP to evolve into a hard core activist.
>
> Regards,
>
> Marcy
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Rob,
> >
> > I'm assuming Marcy meant *two* large pizzas is $40 -- that
would be
> > a lot for one pizza. We did order some food last month -- I got a
> > salad and one of our new arrivals got a salad. Some drinks may
have
> > been ordered too, I don't recall. So Milano's probably got at
least
> > $15 from us that day. If you're dreading the call to reserve the
> > room, I'm willing to call and do it. I don't think it's an unfair
> > business arrangement if we have an off month and order a bit less
now
> > and then. It's still steady business for them at a time of day
when
> > they probably wouldn't be getting much use out of that room
> > otherwise. Especially if you're still having to call to reserve
the
> > room every month -- that means they're getting an opportunity to
let
> > others reserve it for that time slot each month, if anybody else
asks
> > first.
> >
> > Love & Liberty,
> > ((( starchild )))
> >
> >
> > > I was aware of the $40 number, which is why I proposed up to $20
being
> > > subsidized out of the treasury. If even 4 members show up, and
each
> > > contributes $5, we should be able to afford a large pizza with
that
> > > subsidy.
> > >
> > > BTW, for a room that size for three hours, $40 is a bargain,
> > > considering
> > > we also get food included.
> > >
> > > I want everyone to really think hard about this and be ready to
> > > vote on
> > > it next week -- whether for dietary restrictions, scheduling,
not
> > > liking
> > > pizza or Milano's pizza in particular, or whatever -- why do we
> > > regularly have to order more pizza than we normally have people
to eat
> > > it? (We could, of course, order a medium pizza and some pasta or
> > > salads
> > > instead, if it's dietary restrictions we're dealing with.) But if
> > > you're one of the members who tends to leave as soon as
business is
> > > over, I encourage you to vote for finding a place like the SF
Public
> > > Library to have our meetings, and then we could perhaps tell
visitors
> > > that if they want to join us for a pizza social afterwards, we
can
> > > walk
> > > as a group from the meeting room to California Pizza Kitchen or
> > > something else in that area.
> > >
> > > But we simply can't repeat what happened last month -- taking
over the
> > > entire back room at Milano's for three hours and then not
buying any
> > > food. That's an unfair business arrangement. I'm dreading the
call to
> > > reserve the room, because it's so embarrassing that we did that to
> > > them. To make it up, I plan to at least order sodas and
breadsticks at
> > > the start of the meeting, and I'm hoping we have enough people
show up
> > > to do two large pizzas (or equivalent in salad or pasta) plus
beer
> > > this
> > > time.
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> > > Amarcy D. Berry wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Rob,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the Agenda, and the good reminder that we do need
to
> > > stick
> > > > to our agreement with Milano's (yes, I do feel guilty about not
> > > > ordering a pizza last month!)
> > > >
> > > > Just for clarification, a large pizza is around $35, plus tip
brings
> > > > the bill to around $40.25. So, members present would still be
> > > > encouraged to contribute to the Pizza Fund; otherwise the LPSF
> > > > Treasury would be in the same position as the U.S. Treasury
pretty