certification

Methinks that attacking crony monopolists whever they lurk is valuable in helping folks know where we are coming from.

so the certifiers are certified by the department of education.

they are not chosen by individual institutions, or students, or prospective employers of students.

they are a crony organization , not elected , nor chosen by free consumers.

So WTF made them god over ccsf.

The point is that the certifiers are as illigitimate as the certified.

Non are active in a marketplace of free people.

It's time to get the state and politicians completely out of education, medicine and the issuance of money.

Cynics are wrong. We could live in a world that works more to the benefit of more folks.

Just sayin,

Phil

If we follow that line of thinking we would need to be going after government-supported education which enables all the cronies involves in this case. At which point, all our relevance in this controversy would be voided. I would prefer that LPSF continued to focus on one set of cronies at the time.

Marcy

That seems sensible..Which cronies are we focused on?

Right now, we are focused on the decades-old cronies at City College, which have caused taxpayer hard-earned cash to go down a giant rabbit hole of mismanagement. LPSF spoke out publicly against Prop A last November, warning that City College needed restructuring before more money were wasted on it. See article on www.lpsf.org. So, I would suggest that LPSF stay focused on that aspect of this particular case, and not, as often is its habit, go off in all directions.

Marcy

That makes sense. Especially when the commission is dealing blows to the same target, it would stupid, crazy, crazy-stupid, crazy stupid, piss-poor, self-destructive, senseless, ignorant, myopic, wasteful, ineffective strategy to go after the commission.

We can stab the commission in the back later, after it has helped us pummel the primary target. No doubt the primary target is the board. What's the strategy?

If your question means what is the Commission's strategy, I would say more than removing the Trustees from active management, which they have already done. The other goals concern restructuring of the inefficient "shared governance system" (which translates into nobody is responsible for anything system), and placing some financial controls.

If you mean what is the "official" LPSF strategy on this particular issue, it is continuing to harp on the need for taxpayers to do their homework before throwing money at problems. We spelled it all out in our ballot arguments on Prop A, and on our website articles.

BTW, I would just go with "ineffective" strategy going after the Commission at this time.

Marcy

"Ineffective" doesn't quite cover it, when it is repeated for decades.

Besides, if I'm the comedy central libertarian I get to exaggerate for theatrical effect.

I was inquiring about strategies more along the lines of claiming glory for the defeat of the deposed evil despots, and securing power in the new regime.

Huuummm...that type of strategy is more your bailiwick. I personally prefer results over glory or power.

BTW, we have another interesting development in public education. Janet Napolitano got appointed president of the University of California system http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/12/janet-napolitano-resigns_n_3586063.html

You cannot make all this crazy news up.

Marcy

because I'll be in New York for a week and want to only get essential e-mails while I'm there. I'll re-join once I am home.

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because I'll be in New York for a week and want to only get essential e-mails while I'm there. I'll re-join once I am home.

Richard Winger
415-922-9779
PO Box 470296, San Francisco Ca 94147

Crazy is right. I kept hoping that the Napolitano announcement was from the Onion, but no such luck. Have you heard anything about whom Eric Holder may be replacing?

It’s a good day for crazy news: The Russian guard service is reverting to typewriters as a way of avoiding surveillance (http://is.gd/TxYXz8<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001Qt3YkOr70JxUN4GrOR6CLSQRv0PwbxL7gWuowY-b1pj5w8Ssy1418pYeMaQDUEI453WPvKZ07RBeZqMmhMM4J8isoW-GrFhFPUor8Qd8q3G6Rj12u_VsEA==>), and our tax dollars are making generous payments to telecommunications companies as the price for spying on us: http://is.gd/jwSTpB<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001Qt3YkOr70Jwb3cTCLuMBiykKmeO0wajuVNStuQVUIhhNq2MNd_N3SUKxaqhoz5idDT0gLnM6jGC6DIbPKj_GhwETyQpzGKx6NczPsdVP4F37A2nmdm4loA==>.

Chiefs of the Police State agencies at the tops positions in industry and government.

1988 Director of the CIA becomes President

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From: "Acree, Michael" <acreem@...>
To: "'lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com'" <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 7:59 PM
Subject: RE: [lpsf-discuss] Re: certification AND UC System new president

Crazy is right. I kept hoping that the Napolitano announcement was from the Onion, but no such luck. Have you heard anything about whom Eric Holder may be replacing?

It’s a good day for crazy news: The Russian guard service is reverting to typewriters as a way of avoiding surveillance (Russian guard service reverts to typewriters after NSA leaks | Russia | The Guardian), and our tax dollars are making generous payments to telecommunications companies as the price for spying on us: What the government pays to snoop on you.

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Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 4:42 PM
To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: certification AND UC System new president

Huuummm...that type of strategy is more your bailiwick. I personally prefer results over glory or power.

BTW, we have another interesting development in public education. Janet Napolitano got appointed president of the University of California system Janet Napolitano To Resign, Will Become University Of California System President | HuffPost Latest News

You cannot make all this crazy news up.

Marcy

"Ineffective" doesn't quite cover it, when it is repeated for decades.

Besides, if I'm the comedy central libertarian I get to exaggerate for theatrical effect.

I was inquiring about strategies more along the lines of claiming glory for the defeat of the deposed evil despots, and securing power in the new regime.Â

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> From: lpsfactivists <amarcyb@...>
>To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 1:32 PM
>Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: certification
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>If your question means what is the Commission's strategy, I would say more than removing the Trustees from active management, which they have already done. The other goals concern restructuring of the inefficient "shared governance system" (which translates

into nobody is responsible for anything system), and placing some financial controls.

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>If you mean what is the "official" LPSF strategy on this particular issue, it is continuing to harp on the need for taxpayers to do their homework before throwing money at problems. We spelled it all out in our ballot arguments on Prop A, and on our website

articles.

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>BTW, I would just go with "ineffective" strategy going after the Commission at this time.
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>Marcy
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>> That makes sense. Especially when the commission is dealing blows to the same target, it would stupid, crazy, crazy-stupid, crazy stupid, piss-poor, self-destructive, senseless, ignorant, myopic, wasteful, ineffective strategy to go after the commission.
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>> We can stab the commission in the back later, after it has helped us pummel the primary target. No doubt the primary target is the board. What's the strategy?
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>> >To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
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>> >Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Re: certification
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>> >Right now, we are focused on the decades-old cronies at City College, which have caused taxpayer hard-earned cash to go down a giant rabbit hole of mismanagement. LPSF spoke out publicly against Prop A last November, warning that City College needed restructuring

before more money were wasted on it. See article on www.lpsf.org. So, I would suggest that LPSF stay focused on that aspect of this particular case, and not, as often is its habit, go off in all directions.

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>> >Marcy
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>> >> That seems sensible..Which cronies are we focused on?
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>> >> >If we follow that line of thinking we would need to be going after government-supported education which enables all the cronies involves in this case. At which point, all our relevance in this controversy would be voided. I would prefer that LPSF continued

to focus on one set of cronies at the time.

Nope. Mr. Holder is still happy where he is. Regarding the typewriters, when I heard that news, I thought, finally, a simple and elegant solution to a problem.

Marcy