Ballot Initiative!!!

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1

Marcy,

  Two days ago, you asked for a two-part ExCom vote (see below). Now you
seem to be stating that a vote has taken place only on the second part
of the question and that we're ready to proceed. Personally I'm fine
with presuming we ought to have an initiative and simply focusing on
selecting one, but it's confusing when it's stated that a vote is going
to be held one way and then it is actually conducted differently.

  More critically, from my perspective, you seem to be indicating that
this ExCom vote is the only vote we are going to have on choosing an
initiative. While our procedures do not *require* a more general vote,
I previously suggested that this important decision really ought to be
made by the membership as a whole. Neither you nor anyone else said
they disagreed.

  Therefore before proceeding further, I recommend that you put the
issue to the general membership, listing the various initiatives and
advising that the ExCom has voted to recommend that we pursue the curb
rights initiative but this is not binding, and give people until
midnight at the end of Sunday to vote (that's a bit longer than the two
days you gave the ExCom members, but we're talking about more people
plus the fact that some folks don't really do email on the weekends). I
would also urge you to give some thought as to voting method -- should
it be one person, one vote, or weighted by pledges of money or
signatures?

  If the latter, I would encourage you to add that those making pledges
should make them in the form of either dollars, number of valid
signatures, or both (not in hours), and that you actively solicit
pledges and record those pledges. If this all seems like too much work,
you can always delegate the task. I would be willing to take charge of
conducting such a vote if no one else wants the responsibility.

Yours in liberty,
        <<< Starchild >>>

Looks like curb rights to me! And my apologies to Michael E. for my
indicating on a previous e-mail that he had not voted for a
particular initiative (he did, curb rights).

Phil, your e-mail analysis captures the essence of a curb rights
initiative! Mike A., what a great e-mail, thanks for your vote.

I have not yet heard from Jawj on her preference; however, even if
Jawj picks marijuana rights, curb rights still has more votes. (For
the record, I purposefully did not ask for a deciding ExCom vote,
where unanimity would be required.)

Now on to step #2? Ironing out the writing on Phil's proposal? Help
from Michael E., the other writer-volunteer?

Heck, the way I see it, even if we get only a couple of thousand
signatures, we still will have furthered the cause of free markets by
confronting the stranglehold the taxi companies have on this town.

Marcy

I would like to summarize and ask for an Ex-Com Vote (Jawj, Mike
Acree, Phil, Marcy). So far, we have (again, please correct me if I
am wrong): Marcy wants the curb rights, Phil wants the curb rights,
Mike Acree has not voted, Jawj has not voted. As far as commitment
goes: Marcy will commit at least one hour a week to whatever
initiative is chosen, Phil has already committed to work, Mike Acree
has stated he cannot help at this time, we have not heard from Jawj.
From the activists not in the ExCom: Mike Denny, Mike Edelstein, and
Starchild have committed their support.

I would like a two part vote from the ExCom within the next two days
(providing a decision and a time table,as Starchild suggested):

1. Do you think we have enough hands on deck right now to go with a
ballot initiative for the November elections? Yes or No

2. If the answer is Yes, which specific initiative from the list do
you pick?

Thanks,

Marcy

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Starchild,

1. Regarding the "two-part" vote: The respondents answered the
question by voting for a particular initiative, thus intimating that
they felt there were enough hands on deck to proceed with picking an
initiative.

2. Regarding seeking the preference of the membership: I am at a
loss as to what you think we have been doing for the past couple of
weeks. Everyone on this list was free to express their preference.
Those that wished to do so, did. If they did not recall the
initiatives listed on the Minutes, they could (as Michael E. did),
ask for the list again.

3. My own personal experience has been that a group can choose to
either pick up the ball, run with it, and hope to get as near to the
finish line as possible; or can stand motionless, debating on the
proper procedure of picking up the ball. So, as far as I am
concerned, we have picked up the ball. Starchild, what have you
chosen to do?

Yours in Action
Marcy

--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:

Marcy,

  Two days ago, you asked for a two-part ExCom vote (see

below). Now you

seem to be stating that a vote has taken place only on the second

part

of the question and that we're ready to proceed. Personally I'm

fine

with presuming we ought to have an initiative and simply focusing

on

selecting one, but it's confusing when it's stated that a vote is

going

to be held one way and then it is actually conducted differently.

  More critically, from my perspective, you seem to be

indicating that

this ExCom vote is the only vote we are going to have on choosing

an

initiative. While our procedures do not *require* a more general

vote,

I previously suggested that this important decision really ought to

be

made by the membership as a whole. Neither you nor anyone else said
they disagreed.

  Therefore before proceeding further, I recommend that you put

the

issue to the general membership, listing the various initiatives

and

advising that the ExCom has voted to recommend that we pursue the

curb

rights initiative but this is not binding, and give people until
midnight at the end of Sunday to vote (that's a bit longer than the

two

days you gave the ExCom members, but we're talking about more

people

plus the fact that some folks don't really do email on the

weekends). I

would also urge you to give some thought as to voting method --

should

it be one person, one vote, or weighted by pledges of money or
signatures?

  If the latter, I would encourage you to add that those making

pledges

should make them in the form of either dollars, number of valid
signatures, or both (not in hours), and that you actively solicit
pledges and record those pledges. If this all seems like too much

work,

you can always delegate the task. I would be willing to take charge

of

conducting such a vote if no one else wants the responsibility.

Yours in liberty,
        <<< Starchild >>>

> Looks like curb rights to me! And my apologies to Michael E. for

my

> indicating on a previous e-mail that he had not voted for a
> particular initiative (he did, curb rights).
>
> Phil, your e-mail analysis captures the essence of a curb rights
> initiative! Mike A., what a great e-mail, thanks for your vote.
>
> I have not yet heard from Jawj on her preference; however, even if
> Jawj picks marijuana rights, curb rights still has more votes.

(For

> the record, I purposefully did not ask for a deciding ExCom vote,
> where unanimity would be required.)
>
> Now on to step #2? Ironing out the writing on Phil's proposal?

Help

> from Michael E., the other writer-volunteer?
>
> Heck, the way I see it, even if we get only a couple of thousand
> signatures, we still will have furthered the cause of free

markets by

> confronting the stranglehold the taxi companies have on this town.
>
> Marcy

>
>> I would like to summarize and ask for an Ex-Com Vote (Jawj, Mike
>> Acree, Phil, Marcy). So far, we have (again, please correct me

if I

>> am wrong): Marcy wants the curb rights, Phil wants the curb

rights,

>> Mike Acree has not voted, Jawj has not voted. As far as

commitment

>> goes: Marcy will commit at least one hour a week to whatever
>> initiative is chosen, Phil has already committed to work, Mike

Acree

>> has stated he cannot help at this time, we have not heard from

Jawj.

>> From the activists not in the ExCom: Mike Denny, Mike Edelstein,

and

>> Starchild have committed their support.
>>
>> I would like a two part vote from the ExCom within the next two

days

>> (providing a decision and a time table,as Starchild suggested):
>>
>> 1. Do you think we have enough hands on deck right now to go

with a

>> ballot initiative for the November elections? Yes or No
>>
>> 2. If the answer is Yes, which specific initiative from the

list do

>> you pick?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Marcy

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this transit fight may get very ugly! Can we make this site private by
invitation only so that out private thoughts xan not be twisted agaist
us too easily by opponents. Oterwise, I for one feel a little
restricted in how I wxpress things. Who can make that happen. Who
wants to volunteer to mamage the list membership. Siscussion please.

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Marcy,

  Action? I'm all for action. May I remind you I'm the one who got the
ball rolling on this whole concept, and we probably wouldn't even be
discussing it right now if it wasn't for me? I'm not suggesting we
stand motionless. I'm proposing a specific vote, in a specific, fairly
short time frame. There is a difference between just having an
open-ended discussion, where preferences may be stated, often
ambiguously, and calling for a vote on a specific question in a
specific time frame. When you were polling the officers, you asked
specific people by name how they were going to vote. That was good, and
it prompted responses. There's no reason we can't do the same thing
with people on this list. And this is not just something I'm saying
because the officers picked a curb rights measure when I think a
marijuana measure would have more going for it. I have been saying all
along that we should have a group vote in order to get as much
participation as possible, and maybe even use some kind of weighted
voting when we vote in order to secure commitments.

Yours in liberty,
        <<< Starchild >>>

Starchild,

1. Regarding the "two-part" vote: The respondents answered the
question by voting for a particular initiative, thus intimating that
they felt there were enough hands on deck to proceed with picking an
initiative.

2. Regarding seeking the preference of the membership: I am at a
loss as to what you think we have been doing for the past couple of
weeks. Everyone on this list was free to express their preference.
Those that wished to do so, did. If they did not recall the
initiatives listed on the Minutes, they could (as Michael E. did),
ask for the list again.

3. My own personal experience has been that a group can choose to
either pick up the ball, run with it, and hope to get as near to the
finish line as possible; or can stand motionless, debating on the
proper procedure of picking up the ball. So, as far as I am
concerned, we have picked up the ball. Starchild, what have you
chosen to do?

Yours in Action
Marcy

--- In lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@e...>
wrote:

Marcy,

  Two days ago, you asked for a two-part ExCom vote (see

below). Now you

seem to be stating that a vote has taken place only on the second

part

of the question and that we're ready to proceed. Personally I'm

fine

with presuming we ought to have an initiative and simply focusing

on

selecting one, but it's confusing when it's stated that a vote is

going

to be held one way and then it is actually conducted differently.

  More critically, from my perspective, you seem to be

indicating that

this ExCom vote is the only vote we are going to have on choosing

an

initiative. While our procedures do not *require* a more general

vote,

I previously suggested that this important decision really ought to

be

made by the membership as a whole. Neither you nor anyone else said
they disagreed.

  Therefore before proceeding further, I recommend that you put

the

issue to the general membership, listing the various initiatives

and

advising that the ExCom has voted to recommend that we pursue the

curb

rights initiative but this is not binding, and give people until
midnight at the end of Sunday to vote (that's a bit longer than the

two

days you gave the ExCom members, but we're talking about more

people

plus the fact that some folks don't really do email on the

weekends). I

would also urge you to give some thought as to voting method --

should

it be one person, one vote, or weighted by pledges of money or
signatures?

  If the latter, I would encourage you to add that those making

pledges

should make them in the form of either dollars, number of valid
signatures, or both (not in hours), and that you actively solicit
pledges and record those pledges. If this all seems like too much

work,

you can always delegate the task. I would be willing to take charge

of

conducting such a vote if no one else wants the responsibility.

Yours in liberty,
        <<< Starchild >>>

Looks like curb rights to me! And my apologies to Michael E. for

my

indicating on a previous e-mail that he had not voted for a
particular initiative (he did, curb rights).

Phil, your e-mail analysis captures the essence of a curb rights
initiative! Mike A., what a great e-mail, thanks for your vote.

I have not yet heard from Jawj on her preference; however, even if
Jawj picks marijuana rights, curb rights still has more votes.

(For

the record, I purposefully did not ask for a deciding ExCom vote,
where unanimity would be required.)

Now on to step #2? Ironing out the writing on Phil's proposal?

Help

from Michael E., the other writer-volunteer?

Heck, the way I see it, even if we get only a couple of thousand
signatures, we still will have furthered the cause of free

markets by

confronting the stranglehold the taxi companies have on this town.

Marcy

I would like to summarize and ask for an Ex-Com Vote (Jawj, Mike
Acree, Phil, Marcy). So far, we have (again, please correct me

if I

am wrong): Marcy wants the curb rights, Phil wants the curb

rights,

Mike Acree has not voted, Jawj has not voted. As far as

commitment

goes: Marcy will commit at least one hour a week to whatever
initiative is chosen, Phil has already committed to work, Mike

Acree

has stated he cannot help at this time, we have not heard from

Jawj.

From the activists not in the ExCom: Mike Denny, Mike Edelstein,

and

Starchild have committed their support.

I would like a two part vote from the ExCom within the next two

days

(providing a decision and a time table,as Starchild suggested):

1. Do you think we have enough hands on deck right now to go

with a

ballot initiative for the November elections? Yes or No

2. If the answer is Yes, which specific initiative from the

list do

you pick?

Thanks,

Marcy

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