Argument for Gonzalez

Discussion
1

Tom Janci, author of today's pro-Gonzalez letter to the _Chronicle_, is unable to attend tomorrow's meeting. However, he sent the following argument in favor of a recommendation for Gonzalez in the runoff.

Summary: Gonzalez supports a payroll tax repeal, and his election will further third-party causes in general.

[It is worth noting that a payroll tax repeal wasn't really on the table until Mike Denny brought it up.]

~Chris

November 7, 2003

Re: Endorsement of Matt Gonzalez (G) for Mayor of San Francisco

I am writing in support of Matt Gonzalez for Mayor of San Francisco in the upcoming run-off election taking place December 9, 2003. While there are fundamental differences between our respective platforms, we Libertarians should endorse Mr. Gonzalez based on two key points: a) the repeal of the payroll tax, and b) to further the advancement of third party candidates in major elections.

Mr. Gonzalez is an outspoken proponent of eliminating the payroll tax. I work for a large printing company who has vendor relationships with three major banks in San Francisco and our entire product offering is geared towards small business. As a sales representative, I meet with more than 400 new small business customers a year. The majority of new jobs created in San Francisco in the next few years will be created by small business. Many of the small business owners I work with want to hire their first employee, but frankly, the thought of paying sky-high payroll taxes scares them to death. I don't blame them! Small business drives this economy; it always has and always will. Eliminating the payroll tax will not only encourage growth of existing small businesses, but will also attract new businesses to San Francisco.

In terms of the bigger political picture, this election affords us the opportunity as supporters of third-party candidates to further all of our causes by putting San Francisco back on the progressive political map. We need new ideas on ways to tackle homelessness, ways to stop the failed war on drugs, ways to protect our civil liberties and a woman's right to choose, just to name a few. The major party candidates all use the same rhetoric and nothing gets accomplished other than favors to the special interests that put them in office. I'm tired of the Willie Brown brand of politics. I don't want another Alioto in office. We need a fresh perspective because the status quo simply doesn't work anymore. While our platforms may differ, we share a common goal: open the doors of major political offices to third party candidates. San Francisco can set the pace for the rest of the country and this is the election to do it in.

Sincerely,

Thomas A. Janci, Jr.
1927 Funston Avenue
San Francisco, CA 94116
(415) 531-7840
tom@...

2

Dear Christopher; (and really Tom Janci );

If Matt Gonzalez will work to repeal the payroll taxes will he go down on the record to immediately repeal Prop L - Minimum Wage? Will he go down on the record to immediately repeal the 30 year Transit Tax under Prop K? Will he go down on the record to repeal the Prop G - Rainy Day Fund? Will he go down on the record to not issue the new School Bond approved? What will he not do anything to fund Prop I - Child Care for Low Income Families? Will he not do anything to fund Prop J - Separate Facilities for Seniors Families and Disabled?

If Matt Gonzalez is such a great fiscal conservative will he either repeal or not fund the above approved propositions?

For Tom Janci and any other Libertarians who would pose the same argument please read the following.

Any arguments regarding getting a third party candidate elected in San Francisco being beneficial to all other third party candidates is entirely specious, fallacious and disingenuous if the candidate elected is not a LIBERTARIAN!!!!!

You either support the Libertarian movement or you don't. Green Party candidates are not an alternative to a Libertarian candidiate. Read the Green Party platform and listen to Ralph Nader if you have any doubts about where the Greens are coming from and how they are not Libertarians.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

"Christopher R. Maden" <crism@...> wrote:
Tom Janci, author of today's pro-Gonzalez letter to the _Chronicle_, is
unable to attend tomorrow's meeting. However, he sent the following
argument in favor of a recommendation for Gonzalez in the runoff.

Summary: Gonzalez supports a payroll tax repeal, and his election will
further third-party causes in general.

[It is worth noting that a payroll tax repeal wasn't really on the table
until Mike Denny brought it up.]

~Chris

November 7, 2003

Re: Endorsement of Matt Gonzalez (G) for Mayor of San Francisco

I am writing in support of Matt Gonzalez for Mayor of San Francisco in the
upcoming run-off election taking place December 9, 2003. While there are
fundamental differences between our respective platforms, we Libertarians
should endorse Mr. Gonzalez based on two key points: a) the repeal of the
payroll tax, and b) to further the advancement of third party candidates in
major elections.

Mr. Gonzalez is an outspoken proponent of eliminating the payroll tax. I
work for a large printing company who has vendor relationships with three
major banks in San Francisco and our entire product offering is geared
towards small business. As a sales representative, I meet with more than
400 new small business customers a year. The majority of new jobs created
in San Francisco in the next few years will be created by small
business. Many of the small business owners I work with want to hire their
first employee, but frankly, the thought of paying sky-high payroll taxes
scares them to death. I don't blame them! Small business drives this
economy; it always has and always will. Eliminating the payroll tax will
not only encourage growth of existing small businesses, but will also
attract new businesses to San Francisco.

In terms of the bigger political picture, this election affords us the
opportunity as supporters of third-party candidates to further all of our
causes by putting San Francisco back on the progressive political map. We
need new ideas on ways to tackle homelessness, ways to stop the failed war
on drugs, ways to protect our civil liberties and a woman's right to
choose, just to name a few. The major party candidates all use the same
rhetoric and nothing gets accomplished other than favors to the special
interests that put them in office. I'm tired of the Willie Brown brand of
politics. I don't want another Alioto in office. We need a fresh
perspective because the status quo simply doesn't work anymore. While our
platforms may differ, we share a common goal: open the doors of major
political offices to third party candidates. San Francisco can set the
pace for the rest of the country and this is the election to do it in.

Sincerely,

Thomas A. Janci, Jr.
1927 Funston Avenue
San Francisco, CA 94116
(415) 531-7840
tom@...

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[mock letter, not actually sent to Matt]

Matt, I am amazed at your courage.

I just read up on your homlessness stance on your website. Wow, it sounds
great! Why are we working hard to pay our rents? I wanna be a homeless
person in San Francisco! I've stayed in hostels, just this year even; I could
handle the traffic. I know it won't last, so I've got to get a bed quick,
as they are sure to go fast!

And hey, about diversifying the economy... I like how you plan to hold fast to
your principles and refuse to capitalize on the current booming economic
sector. Yeah! If we miss the bus completely, we won't have to stop and start
walking when the bus stops. We'll just walk the whole way!

I like where you say that San Francisco has three major universities and the
largest city college system in the United States, and then proceed to explain
how you want to spend more money on education here. Right on! Let's educate
the shit out of us. I, for one, plan to stay in school forever.

I admire your courage in planning to restore the business gross receipts tax,
and reinstating a new and huge law suit with the corporations in violation of
a previous settlement that is already settled! You clearly are not afraid to spend
money on litigation that is sure to lose. You've definately got guts. Let's all
support lawyers!

And with the intensified rent control you are planning, I am going to be happily
enjoying the vacant units I have. You have inspired me to keep them vacant,
and enjoy them for myself. I suppose I should have rewarded myself sooner!

But there is one thing though that I still fail to understand. You point out four
key hurdles of San Francisco's small businesses. But you missed the biggest
one of all! And I know that you know about it because you put it on the ballot!

-Mike
(tongue in cheek)

sittin' on a sofa on a sunday afternoon
going to the candidates debate
laugh about it, shout about it, when you've got to choose
any way you look at it you lose
where have you gone joe dimaggio
our nation turns its lonely eyes to you
whoo hoo hoo
what's that you say mrs robinson
joltin joe has left and gone away (to new hampshire)
hey hey hey, hey hey hey

Ronald Getty wrote:

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Nobody is saying that Gonzalez is Libertarian, or anywhere close to it. The argument is that electing a non Republicrat as mayor in a major city will serve to undermine the two party system and make the thought of voting for third party candidates slightly less absurd to a lot of people in general, as well as serve to break up the one party system in SF in particular. Both those things are good for the LP.

I'm not in a position to tell how big this effect might be, but let's

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Dear Lars;

The non-validity of the argument of voting for Matt Gonzalez as a
third party candidate still stands. San Francisco is a one-party
town. The Democrats hold sway by vast numbers. The last time
Republicans were elected to any office was the earlier version of
district elections. This is when Lee Dolson and Ed Lawson were
elected as Supervisors.

People will vote for Matt Gonzalez because of who he is and what he
stands for. It does not have any measurable impact for Libertarians
if he is a third party candidate getting elected in a major city.

Why? The vast majority of San Francisco voters do not have a clue
about who or what Libertarians are and what they stand and do not
stand for. San Francisco voters at least have something of a clue
about what the Green Party is and what Greens stand for. They just
think of Ralph Nader and how he " stole votes from Gore so Bush
won ".

Matt Gonzalez getting elected Mayor will not benefit third party
Libertarian candidates who will run next year in San Francisco for
Assembly - State Senate - US Congress - Supervisor.

Ron Getty
SF Libertarian

Nobody is saying that Gonzalez is Libertarian, or anywhere close

to

it. The argument is that electing a non Republicrat as mayor in a
major city will serve to undermine the two party system and make

the

thought of voting for third party candidates slightly less absurd

to

a lot of people in general, as well as serve to break up the one
party system in SF in particular. Both those things are good for

the

LP.

I'm not in a position to tell how big this effect might be, but

let's

>Dear Christopher; (and really Tom Janci );
>
>If Matt Gonzalez will work to repeal the payroll taxes will he go
>down on the record to immediately repeal Prop L - Minimum Wage?
>Will he go down on the record to immediately repeal the 30 year
>Transit Tax under Prop K? Will he go down on the record to

repeal

>the Prop G - Rainy Day Fund? Will he go down on the record to not
>issue the new School Bond approved? What will he not do anything

to

>fund Prop I - Child Care for Low Income Families? Will he not do
>anything to fund Prop J - Separate Facilities for Seniors

Families

>and Disabled?
>
>If Matt Gonzalez is such a great fiscal conservative will he

either

>repeal or not fund the above approved propositions?
>
>For Tom Janci and any other Libertarians who would pose the same
>argument please read the following.
>
>Any arguments regarding getting a third party candidate elected

in

>San Francisco being beneficial to all other third party

candidates

>is entirely specious, fallacious and disingenuous if the

candidate

>elected is not a LIBERTARIAN!!!!!
>
>You either support the Libertarian movement or you don't. Green
>Party candidates are not an alternative to a Libertarian

candidiate.

>Read the Green Party platform and listen to Ralph Nader if you

have

>any doubts about where the Greens are coming from and how they

are

>not Libertarians.
>
>Ron Getty
>SF Libertarian
>
>
>"Christopher R. Maden" <crism@m...> wrote:
>
>Tom Janci, author of today's pro-Gonzalez letter to the

_Chronicle_, is

>unable to attend tomorrow's meeting. However, he sent the

following

>argument in favor of a recommendation for Gonzalez in the runoff.
>
>Summary: Gonzalez supports a payroll tax repeal, and his election

will

>further third-party causes in general.
>
>[It is worth noting that a payroll tax repeal wasn't really on

the table

>until Mike Denny brought it up.]
>
>~Chris
>
>November 7, 2003
>
>Re: Endorsement of Matt Gonzalez (G) for Mayor of San Francisco
>
>I am writing in support of Matt Gonzalez for Mayor of San

Francisco in the

>upcoming run-off election taking place December 9, 2003. While

there are

>fundamental differences between our respective platforms, we

Libertarians

>should endorse Mr. Gonzalez based on two key points: a) the

repeal of ! the

>payroll tax, and b) to further the advancement of third party

candidates in

>major elections.
>
>Mr. Gonzalez is an outspoken proponent of eliminating the payroll

tax. I

>work for a large printing company who has vendor relationships

with three

>major banks in San Francisco and our entire product offering is

geared

>towards small business. As a sales representative, I meet with

more than

>400 new small business customers a year. The majority of new

jobs created

>in San Francisco in the next few years will be created by small
>business. Many of the small business owners I work with want to

hire their

>first employee, but frankly, the thought of paying sky-high

payroll taxes

>scares them to death. I don't blame them! Small business drives

this

>economy; it always has and always will. Eliminating the payroll

tax will

>not only encourage growth of existing small businesses, but will

also

>attr! act new businesses to San Francisco.
>
>In terms of the bigger political picture, this election affords

us the

>opportunity as supporters of third-party candidates to further

all of our

>causes by putting San Francisco back on the progressive political

map. We

>need new ideas on ways to tackle homelessness, ways to stop the

failed war

>on drugs, ways to protect our civil liberties and a woman's right

to

>choose, just to name a few. The major party candidates all use

the same

>rhetoric and nothing gets accomplished other than favors to the

special

>interests that put them in office. I'm tired of the Willie Brown

brand of

>politics. I don't want another Alioto in office. We need a fresh
>perspective because the status quo simply doesn't work anymore.

While our

>platforms may differ, we share a common goal: open the doors of

major

>political offices to third party candidates. San Francisco can

set the

>p! ace for the rest of the country and this is the election to do

it in.

>
>Sincerely,
>
>Thomas A. Janci, Jr.
>1927 Funston Avenue
>San Francisco, CA 94116
>(415) 531-7840
>tom@t...
>
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