Starchild,
You asked:
Would you argue that when a media outlet refuses to cover the LP,
they
are "merely" exercising their rights, and that it is "not a
libertarian
issue" to publicly take them to task for it?
You're confusing libertarian issues with what the LP chooses to
address publicly. The media is not violating rights here, consequently
it's not a libertarian issue. However, it may be a useful tactic for
the LP to publicly request they cover us.
I think you are using the term "libertarian issue" narrowly in the
sense of "an issue which involves the initiation of force." I am using
it more broadly in the sense of "an issue which affects the struggle
for liberty." I think it is appropriate for libertarians to be
concerned about issues which have an obvious connection to the struggle
for liberty, and to claim them as our issues.
How about someone giving
money to Sarah Brady's gun control group? Are you also going to
argue
that this person is also "not failing to respect RKBA" but "merely"
exercising his or her right to free speech by making a political
contribution?
No I would not argue that. Since this group lobbies for immoral laws
it is a libertarian issue.
BTW, I don't recall a response to my email requesting you
differentiate between activities designed to attract members and
activities to attract activists. Have you replied yet?
Best, Michael
I thought my email about "parishioners and missionaries" addressed the
subject fairly well, but IIRC, you responded by saying that you did not
feel it did. I'll give it another stab.
Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>
From: "Starchild" <sfdreamer@earthlink.net>
To: <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] ACTION ITEM - Call/email Costco about
banning concealed carry in stores
Michael,
We are not fighting for liberty in a vacuum! What individuals and
businesses do voluntarily has a direct impact on our ability to
successfully defend our rights. When a major chain prohibits guns,
it
provides a psychological and material boost to the anti-gun
movement,
and thus represents an indirect threat to life, liberty and
property.
Costco is not "merely" saying anything -- there is no "merely" in
this
picture; they have taken a controversial political position that is
detrimental to our cause. As long as we're not saying stores should
be
legally required to allow customers to carry weapons, I fail to see
what the problem is with applying a little counter-pressure.
Would you argue that when a media outlet refuses to cover the LP,
they
are "merely" exercising their rights, and that it is "not a
libertarian
issue" to publicly take them to task for it? How about someone
giving
money to Sarah Brady's gun control group? Are you also going to
argue
that this person is also "not failing to respect RKBA" but "merely"
exercising his or her right to free speech by making a political
contribution?
Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>
Starchild,
I agree with Steve Dekorte on the politics of it.
I don't see how it's a libertarian issue. However as a vulnerable
citizen, I would love stores to encourage their clientele to carry
weapons.
You wrote:
When businesses
do not respect those rights, it further weakens them,
When a business says "no guns inside" they are not failing to
respect
RKBA. They may be merely saying, "on my property you may not
exercise
this right."
Starchild, if you were to visit me in my home, I would prohibit you
from reciting from memory (if you could) _War and Peace_. However,
by
my edict I'm neither disrespecting your right to freedom of speech
nor
weakening this right.
Best, Michael
From: "Starchild" <sfdreamer@earthlink.net>
To: <lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] ACTION ITEM - Call/email Costco about
banning concealed carry in stores
Steve,
Nightclubs are a bit different, because people drink and take
drugs
there more than they do in warehouse stores. But I am definitely
against them searching people. It is not a question of whether
establishments have a right to make these rules. Obviously they
are
privately owned, and we support the owners' legal right to run
their
businesses as they choose. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't
voice
our
views as consumers. The right to keep and bear arms, like the
right
to
put what you want into your own body, is in jeopardy. When
businesses
do not respect those rights, it further weakens them, because
business
rules influence the social climate, and the social climate
influences
the political climate and the law.
Yours in liberty,
<<< Starchild >>>
Need another assist folks!
We took on MicroCenter - we got them to reverse their
discriminatory
policy (to ban legal carry of firearms in their stores). Then
Kroger
got uppity, we spanked them too. Now Costco is apparently
getting
out
of line.
How about all the night clubs that ban firearms? Should we be
protesting them too?
Shouldn't private property owners be free to place whatever
restrictions they like on who is allowed to enter their property?
I
guess I don't see how this is a libertarian issue.
-- Steve
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