In a message dated 2/21/2006 12:52:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
tradergroupe@... writes:
Dear Everyone;
This Mises article on "lawless" Somalia is very insightful as it describes a
country surviving without a central government and doing quite nicely. Thank
You.
Anarchy does mean a country can survive if it has an underlying means for
ajudicating disputes without formal court procedures. In this case Somali's
Tribal Affiliations.
Even the CIA acknowledges how well off Somalia in its _CIA factbook_
(http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/so.html#Econ) :
"Despite the seeming anarchy, Somalia's service sector has managed to
survive and grow. Telecommunication firms provide wireless services in most major
cities and offer the lowest international call rates on the continent. In the
absence of a formal banking sector, money exchange services have sprouted
throughout the country, handling between $500 million and $1 billion in
remittances annually. Mogadishu's main market offers a variety of goods from food to
the newest electronic gadgets. Hotels continue to operate, and militias
provide security."
_http://www.mises.org/story/2066_ (http://www.mises.org/story/2066)
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
while any people, country or region can survive under anarchy, it is not
necessarily a pleasant or desirable way to live.
in somalia, warlords (ie private militias) control local regions, but the
struggle for power exploits ordinary citizens who often have to pay multiple
warlords (ie government, enforcers) for "protection", so they can survive.
governments arose in reaction to anarchy -- you only have to pay one
"warlord" (ie government) for protection, and there is a formula (tax system) in
place so there is nominal fairness in paying for protection services.
Sarosh D. Kumana
_www.sfrent.net_ (http://www.sfrent.net/)
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Fax: 415-931-4004
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Dear Sarosh;
Unfrotunately, your argument has one serious flaw, here in the civilized USA we must pay multiple warlords. First we pay City taxes then we pay California State taxes then we pay Federal taxes. Aren't these multiple warlords???
And we can't hire one warlord to bump off another warlord if we don't like the taxes charged and we can't expect one war lord to protect us from another war lord wanting our money…
Based on the Somalia tribal system set up only one war lord need be paid for local protection and they will stop any other war lord from trying to take taxes from "their" tribe.
"Lawless" they may be but they don't even come close to the tax anything that moves mentality of the City - State - Federal governments.
Besides the only good "lawless" was Lucy Lawless of Xena: Warrior Princess - EEEEYAAAH!!!
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
saroshk@... wrote:
In a message dated 2/21/2006 12:52:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tradergroupe@... writes:
Dear Everyone;
This Mises article on "lawless" Somalia is very insightful as it describes a country surviving without a central government and doing quite nicely. Thank You.
Anarchy does mean a country can survive if it has an underlying means for ajudicating disputes without formal court procedures. In this case Somali's Tribal Affiliations.
Even the CIA acknowledges how well off Somalia in its CIA factbook :
"Despite the seeming anarchy, Somalia's service sector has managed to survive and grow. Telecommunication firms provide wireless services in most major cities and offer the lowest international call rates on the continent. In the absence of a formal banking sector, money exchange services have sprouted throughout the country, handling between $500 million and $1 billion in remittances annually. Mogadishu's main market offers a variety of goods from food to the newest electronic gadgets. Hotels continue to operate, and militias provide security."
http://www.mises.org/story/2066
Ron Getty
SF Libertarian
while any people, country or region can survive under anarchy, it is not necessarily a pleasant or desirable way to live.
in somalia, warlords (ie private militias) control local regions, but the struggle for power exploits ordinary citizens who often have to pay multiple warlords (ie government, enforcers) for "protection", so they can survive.
governments arose in reaction to anarchy -- you only have to pay one "warlord" (ie government) for protection, and there is a formula (tax system) in place so there is nominal fairness in paying for protection services.
Sarosh D. Kumana
www.sfrent.net
Tel: 415-861-4554
Fax: 415-931-4004
Cell: 415-425-5184
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