What's wrong with bigotry?

Just came across one of the best statements I’ve seen on why bigotry should be condemned by libertarians:

"Bigotry is a direct path towards tyranny. It is irrational and repugnant because the first step in increasing the power of the state is to dehumanize its targets. As a party, we must hold true to the cosmopolitan tradition of classical liberalism precisely because humanizing even our enemies protects their rights and, by extension, our own. We should unite behind the principles that have held true for over 250 years. From Locke to Bastiat and Paine to von Mises, the acceptance of others is a cornerstone of liberalism. We either take a stand against “othering,” or we will watch their rights slip away with ours soon to follow.”

– From a longer essay posted at Road to Illiberalism: the Future of the Libertarian Party? — Libertarian Party Classical Liberal Caucus

To clarify, I mean “best” in terms of being persuasive to libertarians who think the movement should take a “thin” approach on the question of racism. (If you are unfamiliar with the concepts of “thin” and “thick” libertarianism, see Rad Geek People's Daily 2008-10-03 – Libertarianism through Thick and Thin https://radgeek.com/gt/2008/10/03/libertarianism_through/). Personally I tend to think the case against bigotry is compelling enough in its own right, and that its inherent repugnance – never mind any negative effects to which it may lead – is a fundamentally stronger reason to oppose it. However the argument about the threat to rights that it poses makes good sense in the narrower context of libertarianism.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

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On Jun 6, 2022, at 10:04 PM, Starchild via LPSF Forum noreply@forum.lpsf.org wrote:

Starchild https://forum.lpsf.org/u/starchild
June 7
Just came across one of the best statements I’ve seen on why bigotry should be condemned by libertarians:

"Bigotry is a direct path towards tyranny. It is irrational and repugnant because the first step in increasing the power of the state is to dehumanize its targets. As a party, we must hold true to the cosmopolitan tradition of classical liberalism precisely because humanizing even our enemies protects their rights and, by extension, our own. We should unite behind the principles that have held true for over 250 years. From Locke to Bastiat and Paine to von Mises, the acceptance of others is a cornerstone of liberalism. We either take a stand against “othering,” or we will watch their rights slip away with ours soon to follow.”

– From a longer essay posted at Road to Illiberalism: the Future of the Libertarian Party? — Libertarian Party Classical Liberal Caucus https://www.lpclc.org/blog-/road-to-illiberalism-the-future-of-the-libertarian-party
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There are all types of bigotry ( racism minutia is only one … I’m mixed
AA/Black/Hispanic so I can say that in any venue… ). #Drag is bigotry
against Women/TheMajority ( as #blackface was against AAs/Blacks —
“The16%” – who were at least permitted to live as chattal slaves for
decades, the #USgovt simply exterminated wih brutal force tens of millions
Native Tribes, à la Palestinians today, who would otherwise be the Top US
Ruling Majority today ). Focussing on just one facet of bigotry is in
itself bigoted.

Besides, as long as the LNC
https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/ is as *melanin
deficient https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/ *as it is,
Libertarians would be wise to keep vewy vewy quiet about “racism” or make
YourSelves targets for endless deserved ridicule in the media & TOTAL
DEFEAT AT THE POLLS
. Besides, since there are #drag ( not blackface
) posters all over San Francisco, perhaps Starchild should start with
misogyny, not racism.

Furthermore, instead of obsessing over negative terms, popular campaigns
often use positive terms, as Dr Paul did with his LOVE/revolution
campaigns ( … … wow, g🕶gle seems to have erased/logarithmically
downgraded all Dr Paul’s marvelous potus campaign vids… that’s not
politically
bigoted
at all … ). LOVE is the best form of “anti-bigotry” &
proto-Libertarian anarchist Leo Tolstoy was & is still the paragon of
libertarian love, extending the Non Aggression Principle to include all
sentient life ( Read: The Ethics of Diet
https://www.amazon.com/Ethics-Diet-Anthology-Vegetarian-Thought/dp/1907355219
) since the NAP is meaningless if bigots are okay with cows
chickens pigs & fish corpses/carrion being used, totally unnecessarily, as
human food.

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Starchild https://forum.lpsf.org/u/starchild
June 7

To clarify, I mean “best” in terms of being persuasive to libertarians who
think the movement should take a “thin” approach on the question of racism.
(If you are unfamiliar with the concepts of “thin” and “thick”
libertarianism, see Rad Geek People’s Daily 2008-10-03 – Libertarianism
through Thick and Thin
https://radgeek.com/gt/2008/10/03/libertarianism_through/
Rad Geek People's Daily 2008-10-03 – Libertarianism through Thick and Thin). Personally I
tend to think the case against bigotry is compelling enough in its own
right, and that its inherent repugnance – never mind any negative effects
to which it may lead – is a fundamentally stronger reason to oppose it.
However the argument about the threat to rights that it poses makes good
sense in the narrower context of libertarianism.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))
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2018 DC Libertarian Party Candidate for District of Columbia Mayor
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Yes Marty, there are many types of bigotry besides racism. I could have used better wording in my previous message, as it was not my intent to focus on bigotry only as it applies to race. And racism, sexism, nationalism, homophobia, etc., can indeed take many forms, not all of which, I would argue, are bigoted, though all are on some level collectivist and anti-individualist. As I use the terms, any world-view that sees through the eyes of race is racist; seeing the world through the eyes of gender is sexist, seeing the world and its people in terms of countries and their associated nationalities is nationalist, etc. So the degree to which a particular type of collectivism is bad can vary greatly.

Bigotry however has an element or aspect that is clearly bad – hostility or malice, willful ignorance, asserting the privilege of members of one group over another, a willingness to engage in unjust discrimination, etc. It’s unfortunate that many in society have become so sensitive that various non-bigoted forms of embracing or mimicking the style, culture, appearance, traditions, or what-not of a particular group have drawn condemnation as “cultural appropriation” or otherwise labeled as offensive.

If someone is wearing blackface to mock or disparage persons of African ethnicity as a group, or to avoid having such persons as part of a theater production in which there are black characters or something, I think that is wrong. However I would argue that it is not automatically wrong if it is not done out of malicious motivations or with harmful effect. Similarly with drag. As I can attest from my own experience, I don’t think most men who wear women’s clothing (or women who wear men’s clothing), are doing so out of any malicious intent toward the opposite sex. Indeed it bears remembering that “imitation is the sincerest form of flattery”.

I think it’s absurd to claim that drag is bigotry against the majority who do not wear drag, just as it would be to claim that nudity is bigotry against the majority who go clothed. I do agree that speciesism, and the unnecessary killing of animals for human food, is technically a form of bigotry, albeit a very popular and widespread one.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

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FRNP https://forum.lpsf.org/u/frnp
June 7
There are all types of bigotry ( racism minutia is only one … I’m mixed
AA/Black/Hispanic so I can say that in any venue… ). #Drag is bigotry
against Women/TheMajority ( as #blackface was against AAs/Blacks —
“The16%” – who were at least permitted to live as chattal slaves for
decades, the #USgovt simply exterminated wih brutal force tens of millions
Native Tribes, à la Palestinians today, who would otherwise be the Top US
Ruling Majority today ). Focussing on just one facet of bigotry is in
itself bigoted.

Besides, as long as the LNC
Libertarian National Committee (LNC) | Libertarian Party https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/ is as *melanin
deficient Libertarian National Committee (LNC) | Libertarian Party https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/ *as it is,
Libertarians would be wise to keep vewy vewy quiet about “racism” or make
YourSelves targets for endless deserved ridicule in the media & TOTAL
DEFEAT AT THE POLLS. Besides, since there are #drag ( not blackface
) posters all over San Francisco, perhaps Starchild should start with
misogyny, not racism.

Furthermore, instead of obsessing over negative terms, popular campaigns
often use positive terms, as Dr Paul did with his LOVE/revolution
campaigns ( … … wow, g🕶gle seems to have erased/logarithmically
downgraded all Dr Paul’s marvelous potus campaign vids… that’s not
politically
bigoted at all … ). LOVE is the best form of “anti-bigotry” &
proto-Libertarian anarchist Leo Tolstoy was & is still the paragon of
libertarian love, extending the Non Aggression Principle to include all
sentient life ( Read: The Ethics of Diet
The Ethics of Diet: An Anthology of Vegetarian Thought: Williams, Howard, Tolstoy, Leo Nikolayevich: 9781907355219: Amazon.com: Books https://www.amazon.com/Ethics-Diet-Anthology-Vegetarian-Thought/dp/1907355219
) since the NAP is meaningless if bigots are okay with cows
chickens pigs & fish corpses/carrion being used, totally unnecessarily, as
human food.

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Starchild https://forum.lpsf.org/u/starchild
June 7
To clarify, I mean “best” in terms of being persuasive to libertarians who think the movement should take a “thin” approach on the question of racism. (If you are unfamiliar with the concepts of “thin” and “thick” libertarianism, see Rad Geek People’s Daily 2008-10-03 – Libertarianism through Thick and Thin https://radgeek.com/gt/2008/10/03/libertarianism_through/ Rad Geek People's Daily 2008-10-03 – Libertarianism through Thick and Thin https://radgeek.com/gt/2008/10/03/libertarianism_through/). Personally I tend to think the case against bigotry is compelling enough in its own right, and that its inherent repugnance – never mind any negative effects to which it may lead – is a fundamentally stronger reason to oppose it. However the argument about the threat to rights that it poses makes good sense in the narrower context of libertarianism.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

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Starchild https://forum.lpsf.org/u/starchild
June 7
Just came across one of the best statements I’ve seen on why bigotry should be condemned by libertarians:

"Bigotry is a direct path towards tyranny. It is irrational and repugnant because the first step in increasing the power of the state is to dehumanize its targets. As a party, we must hold true to the cosmopolitan tradition of classical liberalism precisely because humanizing even our enemies protects their rights and, by extension, our own. We should unite behind the principles that have held true for over 250 years. From Locke to Bastiat and Paine to von Mises, the acceptance of others is a cornerstone of liberalism. We either take a stand against “othering,” or we will watch their rights slip away with ours soon to follow.”

– From a longer essay posted at Road to Illiberalism: the Future of the Libertarian Party? — Libertarian Party Classical Liberal Caucus https://www.lpclc.org/blog-/road-to-illiberalism-the-future-of-the-libertarian-party
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Dear Starchild,

From bona fide TRANSVESTITE WOMEN I know who have applied & were rejected before even an audition, #DRAG BIGOT RuPaul’s discriminatory contests & the hateful Sisters of PI ( who denigrate ALL Catholics & their/CREED — most of whom they have never met in person — & also therefore Nudists/Naturists — who detest masking OurSelves & enjoy the real affirmation of The Vatican & Holy See’s Papal Doctrine Glorifying Nudism in & as High Art ) explicitly EXCLUDE WOMEN.

I look forward to Your uncompromising Leadership on this front & increasing the blatantly discriminatory practices & s/election processes of the melanin deficient LNC before slaying other nebulous dragons. In addition to “blind”(?) ILLITERATE INNUMERATE LNC NANNY Statist Chair Angela McCardie’s brazenly bigoted & anti-1stA & discriminatory & prejudiced statements THIS WEEK against Nudists/Naturists — like Jeff Yunes et al – as if We are all (unindicted) paedophiles & as if Naturism/Nudism harms more “CHILDREN” than guns & drugs ( including ethanol/alocohol/beer/wine ), & addictive gambling which deprives MILLIONS of “CHILDREN” in the USA alone of food on the table, clothes in their backs, education, love & proper nurturing, & automobilists who endanger the lives of tens of thousands of CHILDREN each year,** OR more than criminally neglectful &/or sexually abusive HETEROSEXUAL PARENTS ( which is why “Family Courts” exist in nearly every major jurisdiction in the USA, NOT “Nudist/Naturist Courts.” )

The World Naked Bike Rides’ historic secondary goal, aside from re-Normalizing Nudity ( as it existed not more than 50 years ago across diverse cultures around the Globe — even the #USgovt Pentagon man•dated Nudity in the Pentagon Pool up until the 70s as the official uniform, saving #USTaxpayers from all those overpriced & impractical body shaming swim suits ) has always been to put their bodies on the line to raise awareness about jaw-dropping & heartbreaking numbers of “CHILDREN” et al murdered by drunken & other reckless automobilists each year in the USA.

Any while You’re at it — cleaning house — Why not go after those divisive myopic RACIST Libertarian CULTSMises Cult, Rothbard Cult, Fetter Cult, et al — since substituting “Austrian” for “Aryan” is just a sophomoric ( if not moronic ) marketing trick/ploy which is abundantly obvious to anyone not in those CULTS & familiar with economists from other thriving ethnic cultures — Asian, Arab, African, South American & so-called “primitives” who have or had very humane & practical systems & philosophies & robust economies as foundations for their tribes & clans that lasted hundreds & thousands of years.

Remember The Holy Gospel of Saint #MatthewVII5 which might shed light to guide your anti-racist campaign: “first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”

Thank You in advance!

Have a great week ! Hope to see how upcoming SFLP recruiting efforts bear fruit. Zero ZOOM participation on critical issues does not bode well.

Marty