Hi Starchild, Harland and Marge,
I like to chime in on this matter.
First, Starchild, that was a great collection of YouTube videos you
gathered.
I liked your level headed comment about treating "birthers" fairly:
I think we should be legitimately interested in whether the current
U.S. president is
legally eligible to hold office, and that attempts to dismiss and
marginalize
those who want to find out and publicize the truth as simply lying
partisans or
raving loonies are unfair and even dangerous to the public good.
You continued:
Given the complicity of most of the political/media establishment in
burying
this story and preventing it from being fully investigated in a timely
fashion,
the evident desire of the majority of U.S. voters in 2008 to elect Obama
president . . .
But I lost you when you said, "and the fact that the law itself is
unjust . . . ."
What "law" do you feel is "unjust"? Article 2, Section 1 of the U.S.
Constitution?
And I have to disagree, yet I agreed when you continued:
. . . however, I could go along with a resolution of this matter that
*didn't* remove him for office on the
grounds of not meeting the legal qualifications (not that any such
resolution seems likely to occur at this point).
Actually, there is nothing in the Constitution that could remove a
sitting president for not meeting the "legal qualifications" for office.
Amendment 20, Section 3, however, dealt with the President elect who
"shall have failed to qualify," though the ways to do this aren't
clearly spelled out.
In 2008, the Supreme Court could have constitutionally acted against
Obama, the candidate for President and Obama, the President elect.
Unfortunately it didn't, especially since it cannot constitutionally act
against Obama once he became the sitting President.
But I do agree when you said: "Nevertheless I still support Obama's
impeachment and removal from office for numerous other Constitutional
violations and abuses."
Now, as for whether Obama is born in Kenya. It doesn't matter. Indeed,
this subject is a big fat red herring.
In the following paragraph from his article, "Obama 'Born in Kenya'
Booklet Raises Questions," Yahoo! Network Contributor Mark Whittington
named the real "birther" issue and showed how he misunderstood it, just
as many others have:
To reiterate before we go further, the booklet in no way "proves" the
theory that President Obama was born in Kenya, is therefore not a
natural born citizen, and therefore not legally president. He was born
in Hawaii, therefore a natural born citizen, therefore the
constitutionally elected president.
(http://news.yahoo.com/obama-born-kenya-booklet-raises-questions-2256007\\
39.html)
Mr. Whittington, mentioned "natural born citizen," which I imagine you
folks know is a requirement that Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution
makes (among others) for a person to be eligible to be President.
Article 1, on the other hand, requires a Representative and a Senator to
be, among other things, a "Citizen." If Mr. Whittington (and everyone
else) understands the constitutional difference between a "natural born
citizen" and a "citizen," he will realize that Obama is not a natural
born citizen, despite being born in Hawaii.
Before I continue on this "natural born citizen" stuff, I need to know
how each of you understand the constitutional difference between a
"citizen" and a "natural born citizen." Do you think there's a
difference without a distinction? Do you suppose a creative writing
coach told the writers of those Articles to require the president to be
a "natural born citizen" so as to jazz up the writing?
Until you tell me, suffice it to say that Obama is not now or ever been
a constitutionally required "natural born citizen." This is the REAL
birther issue. And since Obama has gotten away with this since 2008, he
expects to continue to get away with it. And you know what? He will. The
Kenyan birth controversy is just a side show, a distraction from the
real issue.
Still, while most people don't fully understand why Obama is not a
"natural born citizen," at least they believe that you have to be born
in the U.S. to be the President. So if Obama is proved to be born in
Kenya, then more people will demand he don't be allowed to run for
re-election. Indeed, several States are demanding Obama prove his
eligibility to run, else he be removed from their ballot in November.
And lest I forget, as for Obama's "long form" birth certificate which is
proved to be a forgery, as his Selective Service registration form was,
I think Obama has hidden his real birth certificate because it will show
who his real father is. You didn't think Obama, Sr. is his real father,
did you? Some think Frank Marshall, a black communist or Malcolm X, the
one and the same, is Obama's real father. Very plausible, if you ask me.
(Sammy Davis, Jr., is probably not his real father.) There are also
doubts that Stanley Ann Durham is Obama's real mother. I would like to
see her body exhumed so a DNA match can be conducted. Who else is in
favor of this?
Look folks, there is so little we really know about Obama. What we know
are mostly from his autobiographical writings, which turned out to be
ghost written and mostly PR fluff.
Face it, folks, Our Lord, the Obama, is the Manchurian Candidate,
incarnate.
Thanks for providing your comments and for reading my comments.
Alton
Harland and Marge,
Here are the videos that convinced me Barack Obama was in all
likelihood born in Kenya:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qRVfvI6RFxA
("WHITE HOUSE CONFIRMS OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE WAS FORGED")
v&annotation_id=annotation_302084 ("Sheriff Joe Arpaio Cold Case Posse
on Obama Birth Certificate")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaiUEAssk0g ("Obama's REAL BC FOUND? ~
Kenyan Parliament: Obama NOT a Native American, he is Son of this Soil")
Let me hasten to add that as an ardent advocate of open borders and
civil liberties, by the way, I find Sheriff Joe Arpaio very distasteful.
The intro to the third video linked above is also extremely annoying.
The motives of these and other "birthers" are certainly questionable.
Nevertheless, the material presented seems persuasive to me. Marge, the
email you report below represents one more minor data point on top of
many others to suggest a Kenyan birthplace for the occupant of the Oval
Office. But I am certainly open to hearing evidence disputing this
conclusion.
As with the 9/11 attacks, Waco, Oklahoma City bombing, and a number
of other issues, I do find it disconcerting that most people seem
inclined to put political or "practical" considerations ahead of
learning the truth. I think we should be legitimately interested in
whether the current U.S. president is legally eligible to hold office,
and that attempts to dismiss and marginalize those who want to find out
and publicize the truth as simply lying partisans or raving loonies are
unfair and even dangerous to the public good.
Given the complicity of most of the political/media establishment in
burying this story and preventing it from being fully investigated in a
timely fashion, the evident desire of the majority of U.S. voters in
2008 to elect Obama president, and the fact that the law itself is
unjust, however, I could go along with a resolution of this matter that
*didn't* remove him for office on the grounds of not meeting the legal
qualifications (not that any such resolution seems likely to occur at
this point). Nevertheless I still support Obama's impeachment and
removal from office for numerous other Constitutional violations and
abuses.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
> Starchild,
>
> I would be interested, too, it why you think Obama was born in
Kenya. I just got an e-mail that says a brochure by the campany Acton
& Dystel in 1991 to publicize Obama's first book stated in the brochure
that Obama was born in Kenya. If you Google "Acton & Dystel brochure
about Obama," a link comes up from Yahoo news and tells about it. The
people at Acton & Dystel claim they made a mistake in 1991.
>
> However, I don't care where he was born. I don't like what he
is doing as president. Also, I don't like that he won't release all
his college records as if he is hiding something.
>
> Marge
>
>
> From: Harland Harrison
> Sent: May 16, 2012 8:31 PM
> To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Was Obama really born in Kenya?
>
>
> Starchild,
>
> You wrote:
> > After reading more about the issue however, I've fairly recently
concluded that Barack Obama was in fact born in Kenya
>
> What did you read? What does it say? Why didn't his mother want him
born in the USA? How did Obama get an HI birth certificate and have
contemporaneous announcements in the local newspaper? Did he know it was
a fake? I have seen so many lies and fabrications from the "Birthers",
with obvious political motives. Still, I would like to know what you
have found.
>
> Harland
>
> > From: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:lpsf-discuss@…m]
> > On Behalf Of Starchild
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:59 PM
> > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [lpsf-discuss] Obama to Stage "Reichstag" Event
> > as Trigger for Martial Law?
> >
> > Harland,
> >
> > I agree that both scenarios presented in
> > the piece Alton forwarded seem rather farfetched, and not
> > much like sound political strategy. While we should be
> > vigilant against such occurrences in an era where we may be
> > near the tipping point of a full-on police state (see quote
> > below), it was also predicted that Clinton and Bush would
> > declare martial law, postpone elections, and things of this
> > sort, which obviously did not materialize. So far I've seen
> > no greater evidence that Obama is likely to orchestrate such
> > a plot.
> >
> > After reading more about the issue
> > however, I've fairly recently concluded that Barack Obama
> > was in fact born in Kenya (meaning he's technically
> > ineligible to hold the office of president, although this is
> > a bad law which discriminates against immigrants and should
> > be changed).
> >
> > Love & Liberty,
> >
> >
> > ((( starchild )))
> >
> >
> > "As nightfall does not come at once, neither does
> > oppression. In both instances there is a twilight
> > where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it
> > is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in
> > the air - however slight - lest we become unwitting victims
> > of darkness."
> >
> > -Supreme Court Justice William Douglas
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > You can read the original source on the "Canada Free
> > Press" site, if you believe that place at all:
> > >
> > > http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46516
> > >
> > > The story includes the "Birther" line that "Obama
> > is not an American."
> > >
> > > The story makes no sense. As a strategy,
> > fomenting race riots would work for law-and-order
> > Republicans, not for Obama. The current
> > administration projects a civil libertarian image. It
> > continues many totalitarian policies of George Bush, but
> > works hard to minimize public realization. Martial
> > law, troops in the streets, would be just the opposite of
> > the Obama image. It would play right into the hands of
> > the Neo Cons on the other side.
> > >
> > > This article looks like more right-wing propaganda.
> > >
> > > Harland Harrison
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: ay10038 ay10038@...
> > > Subject: [lpsf-discuss] Obama to Stage "Reichstag"
> > Event as Trigger for Martial Law?
> > > To: lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 11:10 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Here's an article I think you'll find interesting:
> > >
> > > Obama to Stage "Reichstag" Event as Trigger for Martial
> > Law?
> > >
> > > The Obama agents, through the DHS and other assorted
> > colluders, are plotting a major `Reichstag' event to
> > generate racial riots and produce the justification for
> > martial law, delaying the November 2012 elections, possibly
> > indefinitely, a DHS whistleblower informed the Canada Free
> > Press on Tuesday.
> > >
> > > The `Reichstag Event' would take the form of a staged
> > assassination attempt against Barack Obama, "carefully
> > choreographed" and manufactured by Obama operatives. It
> > would subsequently be blamed on "white supremacists" and
> > used to enrage the black community to rioting and looting,
> > the DHS source warned.
> > >
> > > The Obama administration would then use the violence
> > and chaos they created as justification for the imposition
> > of martial law in major urban cities in America, the
> > creation of DHS checkpoints, restriction of travel, and the
> > indefinite delay of the November 2012 elections.
> > >
> > > The Reichstag event refers to a fire started during
> > Hitler's rise to power. The fire allowed him to grab
> > emergency powers and murder his opposition. Historians have
> > long believed that Hitler started the fire himself, while he
> > blamed it on the Communists.
> > >
> > >
(http://patriotupdate.com/22993/obama-admin-to-stage-reichstag-event-as-\\
trigger-for-martial-law)