In a message dated 8/17/03 12:03:49 AM, steve@... writes:
<< I've found the best way to understand someone's thinking is to start at
a point were you clearly agree and work towards the point in question.
So I used an extreme to find a place where we would certainly agree. In
this case, we appear to agree on the rule that positions make the
candidate, not the party. And it seems to me that that rule is at odds
with refusing to vote for someone because they're under the banner of
another party. >>
Steve, this thread caused me to dig up an old message I sent back in Nov. '02
to this group...here it is.
Text of message:
"I remember back in 2000 a loony leftist friend of mine was a big Ralph Nader
supporter who ended up voting for Al Gore. I asked him why he voted for Gore
and he said "I didn't want to throw away my vote." I sat him down and
explained, a vote for the person who represents your views best is never a throw away
vote. I believe, unlike so many talking heads I saw on the talkshows, Ralph
Nader took the presidency away from Al Gore. I pointed out to him the more votes
Nader gets the more left the democrats will become, which is what he really
wants in the first place. Gore lost a vast leftist grass roots element to Nader
by trying to move to the center, or to the right, and it hurt him.
If I had a dime, inflation you know, for every friend who said they believe
in the Libertarians but "I don't want to throw away my vote" I'd be a
millionaire. We Libertarians have beliefs that both Republicans and Democrats can
embrace, some of the more radical ideas would be easier for them to propose if they
knew they were believed in by more people...so...your vote tells them that
you believe in those ideas. Just a small step in the right direction to be sure
but at least we will make some progress. The major parties do look at vote
totals and the more votes we have the better.
Just a thought, happy voting........"
Isn't it interesting now, after the defeat of Al Gore, that the Dems seem to
be falling all over themselves to embrace Howard Dean...a very liberal
candidate indeed. Maybe Ralph made an impact after all??
Live free or die, Michael S.
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