Roy,
Statists frame anarchy as this scary external “chaos” to be opposed at all costs. But in reality, life is naturally chaotic and anarchies are just the spontaneous ordering of individuals. This can include great evil and great good because society is comprised of humans with this dual nature.
When left to their own devices rather than being managed by some centralized planning agency, the effect of people’s efforts can increase exponentially. This freedom is how the greatest human accomplishments are achieved, and is how all life progressed to its current levels of evolution before government.
By packaging “anarchy” as this alien force that undermines human society, statists are essentially refusing to allow the baby to have a bath, rejecting the great good that freedom can bring. We need that freedom to solve the many great problems society faces.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
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On Jul 7, 2023, at 3:12 PM, Roy Ferreira via LPSF Forum noreply@forum.lpsf.org wrote:
Roy_Ferreira https://forum.lpsf.org/u/roy_ferreira
July 7
Very good points, Jeff. Libertarians frame “government” as this evil, monolithic external force to be opposed at all costs. But in reality, governments are just organizations of individuals. Governments are capable of both great evil and great good because they are comprised of humans with this dual nature. When organized collaboratively, the effect of human efforts can increase exponentially. This is how the greatest human accomplishments are achieved, but also how the worst human atrocities are committed.
By packaging “government” as this alien force responsible for the greatest evils, Libertarians are essentially throwing the baby out with the bathwater, also rejecting the great good that government’s organizational power can bring. We need that power to solve the many great problems that humanity faces, overpopulation, and environmental degradation.
RoyOn Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 12:33 PM, Jeffrey Flintjeffrey.flint@gmail.com mailto:jeffrey.flint@gmail.com wrote: I always find it interesting that people often differentiate between, segregate, “humans” and “nature” as if humans are not a part of nature.
Similarly, people often differentiate and segregate “humans” and “government” as if humans were not a part of government, as if in fact the government was not made of humans. The ills and promise of governments are all very human. Governments are organized humans.
Governments are not a lost cause; the Constitution of the USA shows that to be the case. It is possible to create a “governmental technology” that protects humans from themselves.
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I always find it interesting that people often differentiate between, segregate, “humans” and “nature” as if humans are not a part of nature. Similarly, people often differentiate and segregate “humans” and “government” as if humans were not a part of government, as if in fact the government wa…
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July 7
Who are you?
Why was I added to this email group?
That’s some nice nonsense strawman ad hominem you got there but you might want to actually address something I said instead of just hyperbolically accusing me of “worshiping” the state? Did I or did not say explicitly it’s a necessary evil? That’s worship in your anarchist-perverted view of reality??
Anyway I’ll state my main point one more time. The societies containing the most “liberty” (as you define it) are the most horrid and dangerous and very quickly conquered societies that exist and have ever existed. THAT is what you need to counter, not some unrelated insanity about feminism, to which I’m the strongest anti-feminist you are ever likely to meet.~ Paul
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July 7
I always find it interesting that people often differentiate
between, segregate, “humans” and “nature” as if humans are not a part of
nature.Similarly, people often differentiate and segregate “humans” and
“government” as if humans were not a part of government, as if in fact the
government was not made of humans. The ills and promise of governments are
all very human. Governments are organized humans.Governments are not a lost cause; the Constitution of the USA shows that to
be the case. It is possible to create a “governmental technology” that
protects humans from themselves.Jeff
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FRNP https://forum.lpsf.org/u/frnp
July 7
#USgovt, the largest govt Earth has ever witnessed, larger ( state & fed ) than India’s or China’s, commands the Largest Prison Colonies Earth has ever seen ( at least 50% non violent offenders ) AND is larger than China’s & India’s “COMBINED” despite the latter Nations each being more than 3 times larger than the #USgovtpeasantry. India does not imprison minors for even violent offenses ( their scofflaw youth are sent home to Parents, Families, or Ashrams — which have a much better success rate than #USgovt’s astronomically priced revolving door industrial prison complex.It’s also grossly misogynistic given that WOMEN dominate ever jurisdiction on Earth. ONLY illiterate innumerate elitist moles think & perpetuate the preposterous notion that such a tyranny is good for WOMankind*; if there were even a semblance of proper “representation” We wouldn’t even use such farcical terms as “mankind” since only WOMEN CAN nurture fetuses & infants & We are ALL born of the WOMb.
As a real politician, I’ve proven it’s child’s play to convert most Humane & or Economical folks to the Reality that Liberty is better than the bloodsucking satanic beast some Folks like Paul seem to WORSHIP obsequiously.
dennz https://forum.lpsf.org/u/dennz
July 7
Excellent article. Thank you Starchild.Yes FRNP, it does mention “In places where corruption is common or where permits are distributed only to influential insiders, the process is even bleaker. Permit requirements encourage corruption because the costs and delays lead people to seek extralegal alternatives.”
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July 7
The vast majority of people for the vast majority of history lived as slaves or serfs or indentured servants to an extremely small aristocracy that were immune to consequences of any kind.If there’s one single societal trait one can point to that differentiates this dire hopeless existence from any semblance of fulfillment and happiness, it’s the existence of a strong central government. A dictatorship in Chile is far superior to anarchy in Haiti. The oppressive communist government of China is far superior to anarchy in Somalia. Ancient Rome was legendary for improving the lives of every territory it conquered. When Rome left Britannia for example, their “freedom” resulted in decay, collapse, and hundreds of years of being raided and pillaged.
Most people understand that government is a necessary evil to stave off a far more horrible and destructive evil. Virtually every human that has ever lived, billions of souls throughout all of history, would gladly trade places with your version of an oppressive society.
~ Paul
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